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Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:12 pm**

When one makes a comparison of the Mormon god with the God of the Bible you find that this god and Jesus is totally different from our Creator who revealed Himself to man in the Bible. Although a comparison between the LDS god and the God of the Bible can be made on many levels I wish to focus only on one irreconcilable difference. This is one fact about the Mormon "Heavenly Father" that the LDS church cannot deny and shows conclusively he cannot be the God of the Bible. Although, the Book of Mormon and LDS literature say their god is our Creator, revealed in the Bible; according to their own teaching their god cannot be the Creator of the earth and certainly cannot be the Creator of the Universe.

First, the LDS Church teaches their god is only one of many gods existing in the Universe.

Second, when the LDS god became a god the Universe was already created, therefore he could not be its creator.

The LDS church teaches that there existed many gods in the Universe before their present god came on the scene. Further, they believe new gods are being made today from the ranks of the LDS faithful. The LDS teaching presents their god as the offspring of a father god that existed before he did and his father had a father also. Even a superficial reading of LDS material on this matter shows, that according to Mormon doctrine, the Universe and man existed before the Mormon god of this earth was born.

Biblical Christians emphatically insists that Mormons are not Christians, because they do not worship the God or Jesus Christ of the Bible. The irrefutable proof of this fact is found by comparing the Mormon man-become-god with the God of the Bible who is the Creator of the Earth and the Universe.

Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:18 pm**

Jason15 wrote:When one makes a comparison of the Mormon god with the God of the Bible you find that this god and Jesus is totally different from our Creator who revealed Himself to man in the Bible. Although a comparison between the LDS god and the God of the Bible can be made on many levels I wish to focus only on one irreconcilable difference. This is one fact about the Mormon "Heavenly Father" that the LDS church cannot deny and shows conclusively he cannot be the God of the Bible. Although, the Book of Mormon and LDS literature say their god is our Creator, revealed in the Bible; according to their own teaching their god cannot be the Creator of the earth and certainly cannot be the Creator of the Universe.

First, the LDS Church teaches their god is only one of many gods existing in the Universe.

Second, when the LDS god became a god the Universe was already created, therefore he could not be its creator.

The LDS church teaches that there existed many gods in the Universe before their present god came on the scene. Further, they believe new gods are being made today from the ranks of the LDS faithful. The LDS teaching presents their god as the offspring of a father god that existed before he did and his father had a father also. Even a superficial reading of LDS material on this matter shows, that according to Mormon doctrine, the Universe and man existed before the Mormon god of this earth was born.

Biblical Christians emphatically insists that Mormons are not Christians, because they do not worship the God or Jesus Christ of the Bible. The irrefutable proof of this fact is found by comparing the Mormon man-become-god with the God of the Bible who is the Creator of the Earth and the Universe.

The God of the Bible is the Creator of the Earth and the Universe

The following Bible references that state that the true God is the Creator of the Universe.
Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Genesis 1:16, "And God made two great lights; the greater to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." (see Job. 9-4-8, Psa. 8:3, Psa. 136-7-9, Psa. 147:4, Jer. 31:35 )
Exodus 20:11, "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it."
Nehemiah 9:6, "Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee."
Job 12:9, "Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?"
Job 26:7, "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."
Psalm 24:2, "For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods."
Psalm 33:6, "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth."
Psalm 95:5, "The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land."
Psalm 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
Psalms 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Isaiah 40:28, "Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding."
Isaiah 45:12 , "I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded."
Isaiah 48:13, "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together."
Acts 4:24, "And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:"
Acts 7:50, "Hath not my hand made all these things?"
Acts 14:15, "And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:"

The Mormon man-become-god could not have been our Creator because he became a god after the Universe was created. The Mormon "Heavenly Father" is himself a created being and was born into a world that already existed.

Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:24 pm**

Although, the Book of Mormon and LDS literature say their god is our Creator, revealed in the Bible; according to their own teaching their god cannot be the Creator of the earth and certainly cannot be the Creator of the Universe.

How is the God of the Book of Mormon different from the God of the Bible??

Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:45 pm**

Idiotic post. The OP is lying. The LDS church dies not teach, nor does it's doctrine contain, any of what this fool of a post claims.
That is why there is no actual proof offered to support those amateur claims.
Clown thread

Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:55 pm**

subgenius wrote:Idiotic post. The OP is lying. The LDS church dies not teach, nor does it's doctrine contain, any of what this fool of a post claims.
That is why there is no actual proof offered to support those amateur claims.
Clown thread

According the Mormonism their "Heavenly Father" was once a man of "mortal flesh."

(1) Joseph Smith said that "First God Himself, who sits enthroned in yonder heaven, is a man like unto one of yourselves, that is the great secret. . .I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. . . God himself; the Father of us all dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, . . .You have to learn how to be gods yourselves; . . .No man can learn you more than what I have told you."

(2) Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt stated, "The Gods who dwell in Heaven. . .have been redeemed from the grave in a world which existed before the foundations of this earth were laid. They and the Heavenly body which they now inhabit were once in a fallen state . . . . they were exalted also, from Fallen men to Celestial Gods to inhabit their heaven forever and ever."

(3) Pratt further stated that, "We (men on earth) were begotten by our father in heaven: the person of our Father in Heaven we begotten on a previous heavenly world by his father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient father; and so on."

(4) Brigham Young stated the purpose of the LDS god, "The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming God like himself; We are created . . . to become Gods like unto our Father in heaven."

(5) Being true to his church's teaching, Milton Hunter concluded that, " . . .we must accept the fact that there was a time when Deity was much less powerful than He is today."

(6) The LDS Scriptures teach that God is a man of flesh and bones: "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us."

From these statements, made by the founders and leaders of Mormonism, we can see that they believe in a plurality of gods in the Universe. Their god is only one of an innumerable number of gods in the Universe and is an exalted man of "flesh and bone" who was given charge of this world. However, they do not worship a plurality of gods, only worshiping or being responsible to the god of earth who is literally their "Heavenly Father" meaning they are his sexually produced off-spring. In fact all angels, Jesus, Lucifer and all men are the sexually produced children of their god in heaven

Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:59 pm**

Jason15 wrote:
subgenius wrote:Idiotic post. The OP is lying. The LDS church dies not teach, nor does it's doctrine contain, any of what this fool of a post claims.
That is why there is no actual proof offered to support those amateur claims.
Clown thread

According the Mormonism their "Heavenly Father" was once a man of "mortal flesh."

(1) Joseph Smith said that "First God Himself, who sits enthroned in yonder heaven, is a man like unto one of yourselves, that is the great secret. . .I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. . . God himself; the Father of us all dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, . . .You have to learn how to be gods yourselves; . . .No man can learn you more than what I have told you."

(2) Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt stated, "The Gods who dwell in Heaven. . .have been redeemed from the grave in a world which existed before the foundations of this earth were laid. They and the Heavenly body which they now inhabit were once in a fallen state . . . . they were exalted also, from Fallen men to Celestial Gods to inhabit their heaven forever and ever."

(3) Pratt further stated that, "We (men on earth) were begotten by our father in heaven: the person of our Father in Heaven we begotten on a previous heavenly world by his father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient father; and so on."

(4) Brigham Young stated the purpose of the LDS god, "The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming God like himself; We are created . . . to become Gods like unto our Father in heaven."

(5) Being true to his church's teaching, Milton Hunter concluded that, " . . .we must accept the fact that there was a time when Deity was much less powerful than He is today."

(6) The LDS Scriptures teach that God is a man of flesh and bones: "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us."

From these statements, made by the founders and leaders of Mormonism, we can see that they believe in a plurality of gods in the Universe. Their god is only one of an innumerable number of gods in the Universe and is an exalted man of "flesh and bone" who was given charge of this world. However, they do not worship a plurality of gods, only worshiping or being responsible to the god of earth who is literally their "Heavenly Father" meaning they are his sexually produced off-spring. In fact all angels, Jesus, Lucifer and all men are the sexually produced children of their god in heaven

References:

(1) Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, V7, page 333.
(2) Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol. 5, pages 613-614.
(3) Orson Pratt, The Seer, page 23.
(4) Ibid., page 132.
(5) Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, page 93.
(6) Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, Salt Lake City, 1958, p.104.

Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:08 pm**

Brackite wrote:
Although, the Book of Mormon and LDS literature say their god is our Creator, revealed in the Bible; according to their own teaching their god cannot be the Creator of the earth and certainly cannot be the Creator of the Universe.

How is the God of the Book of Mormon different from the God of the Bible??

The basic difference between Mormonism and Biblical Christianity is that Mormons worship a different god than the God of the Bible. The LDS church teaches that their is a god of flesh and bone, who was once a sinful man, who by good works and faithfulness to the Mormon religion became a god.

However, the God of the Bible is Spirit, and is self-existent, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, eternal, and the only Almighty God (Isa. 43:10-11, 44:6, 45:21-22, 1 Tim. 1:17, 6:16, Col. 1:15, John 4:24, Jer.23:24, Mal. 3:6, Psa. 102:26-27). The God of the Bible is spirit and was never a man, (Num. 23:19) therefore the Mormon man-god certainly is not the God of the Bible. The Bible tells us that God created man; man did not create God.

The Bible gives us a place to start in time when God created the earth and the universe. Mormonism does not. God says in the Bible that there was a time when the universe did not exist nor anything material or physical.(Isa. 43:13) God reveals to us in the Bible that there was no God before Him. He created it all, time, space, matter and all the different kinds of life at a point in time which was the beginning of the Universe. God said He created the universe for His glory, and the earth for man..

According to Mormonism the universe actually has no beginning and it assumes like the false theory of evolution that all things always existed. It teaches, as does evolution, that man can evolve upward into a higher and higher being. This teaching in the LDS church is called "eternal progression." In other words man can go from one existence to another and through "eternal progression" upwards to a greater existence.

Mormonism does teach that their god created the heavens and the earth, but that is an impossible claim seeing that they believe their god is a man who became a god.

Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:26 pm**

Jason15 wrote:
The basic difference between Mormonism and Biblical Christianity is that Mormons worship a different god than the God of the Bible. The LDS church teaches that their is a god of flesh and bone, who was once a sinful man, who by good works and faithfulness to the Mormon religion became a god.

However, the God of the Bible is Spirit, and is self-existent, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, eternal, and the only Almighty God (Isa. 43:10-11, 44:6, 45:21-22, 1 Tim. 1:17, 6:16, Col. 1:15, John 4:24, Jer.23:24, Mal. 3:6, Psa. 102:26-27). The God of the Bible is spirit and was never a man, (Num. 23:19) therefore the Mormon man-god certainly is not the God of the Bible. The Bible tells us that God created man; man did not create God.

The Bible gives us a place to start in time when God created the earth and the universe. Mormonism does not. God says in the Bible that there was a time when the universe did not exist nor anything material or physical.(Isa. 43:13) God reveals to us in the Bible that there was no God before Him. He created it all, time, space, matter and all the different kinds of life at a point in time which was the beginning of the Universe. God said He created the universe for His glory, and the earth for man..

According to Mormonism the universe actually has no beginning and it assumes like the false theory of evolution that all things always existed. It teaches, as does evolution, that man can evolve upward into a higher and higher being. This teaching in the LDS church is called "eternal progression." In other words man can go from one existence to another and through "eternal progression" upwards to a greater existence.

Mormonism does teach that their god created the heavens and the earth, but that is an impossible claim seeing that they believe their god is a man who became a god.

Jason, You didn't answer my question here. My question here is: "How is the God of the Book of Mormon different from the God of the Bible??" You have not quoted from the Book of Mormon on this thread yet.

Here is a link to the Book of Mormon online:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/Mormon/browse.html

Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:30 pm**

Brackite wrote:
Although, the Book of Mormon and LDS literature say their god is our Creator, revealed in the Bible; according to their own teaching their god cannot be the Creator of the earth and certainly cannot be the Creator of the Universe.

Brackite asked "How is the God of the Book of Mormon different from the God of the Bible??

LDS doctrine teaches that a male member of the LDS church can by faithfulness to the Mormon gospel can continue to evolve upward to eventually becoming a god himself. A male Mormon must go through the temple ceremony where his wife(s) are sealed to him for "all time and eternity." This is a vital step in a Mormon man becoming a god. That is how they explain that their man-god of the earth, whom they worship, became a god. Their teaching is that their god had a father and mother god of flesh and bone who produced him, and so did his parents and their parents and so on back in time.

The God of Mormonism is Not the God of the Bible
The Bible teaches, to the contrary, that the universe including the earth did not exist until God created it out of nothing and on the sixth day created man.(Gen. 1:1-2, 25-31) God tells us that man did not exist prior to the sixth day and nothing existed prior to day one. On the sixth day of Creation, God made Adam from the dust of the earth and breathed into him life and Adam became a living soul.(Gen. 2:7) Thus, Adam being the first man was given life by God, and Adam, then being a living being, passed life on to his children and his descendants.

Mormonism presents a much different picture of creation and this is a serious problem for them. Life, according to Mormonism, already existed in the universebefore Adam as an "intelligence." Based on this teaching they believe that all humans existed somewhere in the universe without a body prior to being born on earth. First this "intelligence" received a spiritual body in heaven when a spirit child is sexually produced by its man-god parents in heaven. Next, this pre-mortal spirit person then received a physical body when he was born to human parents on earth. Now as a human being their god lived a faithful life obeying the Mormon gospel, and he then was allowed to go on to the Celestial heaven. Because of his faithfulness to the Mormon gospel, he was declared "worthy" and merited godhood. He then was exalted and become a god. This whole scenario is totally foreign to the Word of God, the Bible, and is one reason why biblical Christians totally reject Mormons as Christians. Their god is totally incomparable with our Creator the God of the Bible.

LDS doctrine naturally leads to the conclusion that time has always existed and there was no beginning. However, that is totally illogical because the fact is that time exists, and by its[b] nature had to have a beginning and it will have an end [/b] . That is essence of time. Without a beginning there could be no time. The existence of time which proceeds forward is evidence of a beginning and of a Creator.

Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:34 pm**

Brackite wrote:
Jason15 wrote:
The basic difference between Mormonism and Biblical Christianity is that Mormons worship a different god than the God of the Bible. The LDS church teaches that their is a god of flesh and bone, who was once a sinful man, who by good works and faithfulness to the Mormon religion became a god.

However, the God of the Bible is Spirit, and is self-existent, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, eternal, and the only Almighty God (Isa. 43:10-11, 44:6, 45:21-22, 1 Tim. 1:17, 6:16, Col. 1:15, John 4:24, Jer.23:24, Mal. 3:6, Psa. 102:26-27). The God of the Bible is spirit and was never a man, (Num. 23:19) therefore the Mormon man-god certainly is not the God of the Bible. The Bible tells us that God created man; man did not create God.

The Bible gives us a place to start in time when God created the earth and the universe. Mormonism does not. God says in the Bible that there was a time when the universe did not exist nor anything material or physical.(Isa. 43:13) God reveals to us in the Bible that there was no God before Him. He created it all, time, space, matter and all the different kinds of life at a point in time which was the beginning of the Universe. God said He created the universe for His glory, and the earth for man..

According to Mormonism the universe actually has no beginning and it assumes like the false theory of evolution that all things always existed. It teaches, as does evolution, that man can evolve upward into a higher and higher being. This teaching in the LDS church is called "eternal progression." In other words man can go from one existence to another and through "eternal progression" upwards to a greater existence.

Mormonism does teach that their god created the heavens and the earth, but that is an impossible claim seeing that they believe their god is a man who became a god.

Jason, You didn't answer my question here. My question here is: "How is the God of the Book of Mormon different from the God of the Bible??" You have not quoted from the Book of Mormon on this thread yet.

Here is a link to the Book of Mormon online:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/Mormon/browse.html

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