Excommunication as a means of controlling ideas
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Excommunication as a means of controlling ideas
Not saying I would do this, because I won't, but what if I were to start a blog touting the temporary veil piercing quality you achieve when putting way too much wasabi on your sushi.
Would I be challenged by Church Authorities with a threatened burning at the Stake?
If I declared that neither Joseph Smith or Brigham Young had actually eaten sushi, would apologists feel compelled to deny my charge or else offer the explanation that sushi is only a recent manifestation and that in the 19th Century it would be more likely that gentlemen in Nauvoo would prefer some 14 year old mints. These apologists could say state that it was perfectly normal to consume 14 year old mints at that place and time. They could cite missing tins of Altoids as proof positive.
Wonder if Denver Snuffer ever used Altoids?
Would I be challenged by Church Authorities with a threatened burning at the Stake?
If I declared that neither Joseph Smith or Brigham Young had actually eaten sushi, would apologists feel compelled to deny my charge or else offer the explanation that sushi is only a recent manifestation and that in the 19th Century it would be more likely that gentlemen in Nauvoo would prefer some 14 year old mints. These apologists could say state that it was perfectly normal to consume 14 year old mints at that place and time. They could cite missing tins of Altoids as proof positive.
Wonder if Denver Snuffer ever used Altoids?
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Re: Excommunication as a means of controlling ideas
Altoids were not the only mints Joseph Smith enjoyed. The Partridge sisters were evidence of early Certs mints usage, when Joseph Smith enjoyed two, two, two mints in one marriage.
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Warren Jeff's daddy also enjoyed two mints in one marriage.
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Re: Excommunication as a means of controlling ideas
Excommunication doesn't control ideas. It controls the internal notion of authority or legitimacy behind certain ideas that run counter to the Church's teachings.
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Re: Excommunication as a means of controlling ideas
bcspace wrote:Excommunication doesn't control ideas. It controls the internal notion of authority or legitimacy behind certain ideas that run counter to the Church's teachings.
As a wretched heathen, I'm confused with the concept of excommunication. Some people here talk about it as though it were a bad thing. From my point of view, it looks like a desirable pardon from a life sentence.
Am I wrong about this?
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Quasimodo wrote:bcspace wrote:Excommunication doesn't control ideas. It controls the internal notion of authority or legitimacy behind certain ideas that run counter to the Church's teachings.
As a wretched heathen, I'm confused with the concept of excommunication. Some people here talk about it as though it were a bad thing. From my point of view, it looks like a desirable pardon from a life sentence.
Am I wrong about this?
If you look at the Mormon concept of Heaven, which is create a world and populate it, rinse repeat for eternity, then excommunication becomes very appealing.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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Re: Excommunication as a means of controlling ideas
how exactly does one "control ideas"...by any means...let alone by excommunication
i mean i get controlling your halitosis with Binaca...but otherwise this seems like a silly topic


i mean i get controlling your halitosis with Binaca...but otherwise this seems like a silly topic


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You don't stand inline with the policy's of your Workplace..... guess what??? YOU ARE FIRED!!!!
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ldsfaqs wrote:You don't stand inline with the policy's of your Workplace..... guess what??? YOU ARE FIRED!!!!
Funny that you use a soulless, mammon serving metaphor.
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Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:ldsfaqs wrote:You don't stand inline with the policy's of your Workplace..... guess what??? YOU ARE FIRED!!!!
Funny that you use a soulless, mammon serving metaphor.
No, it simply demonstrates clearly that the idea being promoted in this thread as if the church is doing something "bad" is completely ridiculous.
Standards are standards.... One either strives to live them either in work, religion. or in life, or there are consequences. It is as simple as that.
Employers are not "evil" for firing those who don't do their job, who cause problems. Why is the Church somehow "evil" for doing so sometimes?
It's not. Thus, the claim against the Church is complete foolishness, a double standard, and just another attempt to falsely degrade the church.
by the way, why don't you go tell your Employer they are "soulless" and "mammon serving". Again, another false and degrading statement.
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