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Since the B. of M. is supposed to be a revelation from God like the Bible, both should display equal evidence of God's wisdom. LDS leaders have certainly made some great claims for it. For example, "The Prophet Joseph Smith said, "I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book" (T. of P.J.S., p. 194).

teachings of Mormons not found in Book of Mormon, The Articles of Faith “ Mormon Creed” or Bible.

1. The plurality of Gods (Mormon Doctrine pp. 576, 577)
2. The baptism for the dead done in holy temples (Mormon Doctrine pp. 72,73)
3. Celestial marriage which no unworthy member or outsider can attend (Mormon Doctrine pp. 117, 118)
4. Polygamy needed to become a God (Journal of Discourse, Vol. II p. 269)
5. Blacks were cursed with a dark skin (Mormon Doctrine p. 109)
6. You can become a God if you are worthy; celestial marriage required (Mormon Doctrine p. 118)
7. We were all pre-existent spirits (Mormon Doctrine p. 589)
8. God has a body of flesh and bones (Mormon Doctrine p. 289)
9. We have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father (Mormon Doctrine p. 516)
10. There are three levels of heaven. To go to the highest kingdom, you must be a Mormon. Honorable persons go to the Terrestrial kingdom. The dishonest, liars, sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers go to the Telestial kingdom. (Mormon Doctrine pp. 420, 421)
11. God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage (Celestial Marriage Manual p. 1)
12. Heavenly Father died just like Jesus (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 346)
13. God was once just like us and progressed to godhood (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 345)
14. God has a father and His Father has a Father, etc. (Mormon Doctrine p. 322)
15. Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers (Mormon Doctrine p. 192)
16. Jesus and Lucifer each had a plan to people the earth. Jesus' plan was chosen and caused Lucifer to rebel and he and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven. (Mormon Doctrine p. 193)
17. God lives near a star called Kolob (Mormon Doctrine p. 428)
18. Temple endowments are so sacred that you must be worthy to enter (Mormon Doctrine pp. 619, 620)
19. Jesus was not able to keep his church together (History of the Church Vol. 6 pp. 408, 409)
20. In the future, you will need Joseph Smith's consent in order to enter the celestial kingdom (Journal of Discourse Vol. 7 p.289)
21. Not everything you'll need to know concerning salvation will be recorded in the Bible but there will be additional scriptures (Mormon Doctrine p. 83)"
22. Jesus was Married and Practiced polygamy (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.210).
(Journal of Discourses, vol.2, p.82).
(Journal of Discourses, vol.4, p.259).
23. No eternal hell
LDS Apostle John Widtsoe declared, "In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, there is no hell. All will find a measure of salvation" (E. & R., p. 216). Yet, the B. of M. says, "The devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell and behold others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell" (II Nephi 28:21-22). Thus, the B. of M. explains where Mormonism got its doctrine of no hell!

The B. of M. also says, "If ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked" (Alma 34:35).

24. Animal sacrifice after Jesus' blood was shed

RESTORATION OF BLOOD SACRIFICES. We are living in the dispensation of the fulness of times into which all things are to be gathered, and all things are to be restored since the beginning. Even this earth is to be restored to the condition which prevailed before Adam's transgression. 44 Now in the nature of things, the law of sacrifice will have to be restored, or all things which were decreed by the Lord would not be restored. It will be necessary, therefore, for the sons of Levi, who offered the blood sacrifices anciently in Israel, to offer such a sacrifice again to round out and complete this ordinance in this dispensation. Sacrifice by the shedding of blood was instituted in the days of Adam and of necessity will have to be restored. 45

The sacrifice of animals will be done to complete the restoration when the temple spoken of is built; at the beginning of the millennium, or in the restoration, blood sacrifices will be performed long enough to complete the fulness of the restoration in this dispensation. Afterwards sacrifice will be of some other character. Joseph Fielding Smith

3 Nephi 9:19 Jesus was supposed to have said: "And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings."

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"God said, "Thou shalt not kill" at another time He said, "Thou shalt utterly destroy." This is the principle on which the government of heaven is conducted-by revelation adapted to the circumstances in which the children of the kingdom are placed. Whatever God requires is right, no matter what it is, although we may not see the reason thereof till long after the events transpire . . . As God has designed our happiness-and the happiness of all His creatures, He never has – He never will – institute an ordinance or give a commandment to His people that is not calculated in its nature to promote that happiness which He has designed, and which will not end in the greatest amount of good and glory to those who become the recipients of his law and ordinances... for all things shall be made known unto them in [His] own due time, and in the end they shall have joy.
—Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 256–7." (emphasis mine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_revelation

see also
2 Nephi 26:33

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"God said, "Thou shalt not kill" at another time He said, "Thou shalt utterly destroy." This is the principle on which the government of heaven is conducted-by revelation adapted to the circumstances in which the children of the kingdom are placed. Whatever God requires is right, no matter what it is, although we may not see the reason thereof till long after the events transpire . . . As God has designed our happiness-and the happiness of all His creatures, He never has – He never will – institute an ordinance or give a commandment to His people that is not calculated in its nature to promote that happiness which He has designed, and which will not end in the greatest amount of good and glory to those who become the recipients of his law and ordinances... for all things shall be made known unto them in [His] own due time, and in the end they shall have joy.
—Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 256–7." (emphasis mine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_revelation

see also
2 Nephi 26:33

This is all very convenient for Joseph Smith and subsequent prophets, but sub-kindergarten spirituality for the rest of you, if you ask me.

The biggest problem with continual revelation is that Mormons don't get any new revelation . The heavens are silent for them.

subgenius wrote:Whatever God requires is right, no matter what it is, although we may not see the reason thereof till long after the events transpire . . .

Excellent. Now articulate for us how you personally identify what it is God requires. I'm guessing it's from demonstrably unsafe sources rather than God Himself. For instance, I suspect you think that your Church leaders communicate what God requires. Unfortunately Uchtdorf has already told you they are unreliable and prone to superseding God's requirements with their own personal bias and proclivities.

It looks like continuing revelation continued for quite a while after the Book of Mormon was published. You've actually shown evidence for this claim of the LDS faith. Saying "the heavens are closed for them" needs to be shown with some evidence, not just opinion.

The "fullness of the gospel" in the Book of Mormon is the same as that in the Bible, yet Joseph Smith and his successors claimed to receive direct revelation which included those teachings you listed: none of them would make any sense as stand-alone doctrines, they all depend on the foundation of biblical teachings, and the Book of Mormon is just another restating of biblical teachings, with a few elucidations as extras. What the Book of Mormon was at the time it came out was validation of Joseph Smith's calling into the ministry, that God was with him. The Book of Mormon was intended also to point people to the Bible afresh, and both books taken together would make the believer more sound in his or her faith.

by the way, listing "Mormon Doctrine" as if it were the original inspiration for those teachings you cite is misleading in the extreme; McConkie gave his references, and nothing he put in that controversial tome was original with him....

Uncle Ed wrote:The "fullness of the gospel" in the Book of Mormon is the same as that in the Bible...

I'm afraid that is inconsistent with Mormon doctrine (small 'd') which teaches that the Bible contains inaccuracies caused by mistranslation and that only the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the Gospel. That was why it was necessary to be introduced to the world (supposedly).

For instance:
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

Can you point to where Mormonism teaches equally that one should read the Bible and the Book of Mormon pray to know of their truthfulness?
Mormonism only uses the Bible to try and show the Book of Mormon to be true and to associate more closely with Christianity.

Separately, to the claim that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the Gospel.
I suppose we first need to understand what Mormonism considers part of the Gospel and what it doesn't.
For instance, is plural marriage part of the fulness of the Gospel and what does the Book of Mormon say about it?
Is God being an exalted man and the earth being created by a number of individuals part of the fulness of the Gospel and what does the Book of Mormon say about that?

I suspect (very strongly) that trying to establish what Mormonism considers 'the fulness of the Gospel' would be like trying to herd cats.

Bazooka wrote:...

Can you point to where Mormonism teaches equally that one should read the Bible and the Book of Mormon pray to know of their truthfulness?
Mormonism only uses the Bible to try and show the Book of Mormon to be true and to associate more closely with Christianity.

Joseph Smith taught almost exclusively from the Bible.

The introduction to the Book of Mormon says: "It ... contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel."

Obviously, the "plain and precious truths" taken from the Bible did not remove "the everlasting gospel", which is defined as a knowledge of the existence and role of Jesus Christ unto salvation.

Separately, to the claim that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the Gospel.
I suppose we first need to understand what Mormonism considers part of the Gospel and what it doesn't.
For instance, is plural marriage part of the fulness of the Gospel and what does the Book of Mormon say about it?
Is God being an exalted man and the earth being created by a number of individuals part of the fulness of the Gospel and what does the Book of Mormon say about that?

I suspect (very strongly) that trying to establish what Mormonism considers 'the fulness of the Gospel' would be like trying to herd cats.

Article of Faith Nine, points to many more things to be revealed. Obviously, the doctrines relating to Infinity cannot be contained within the covers of any finite book.

It has been said that the Book of Mormon points the mind to Jesus Christ, and the Doctrine and Covenants points him to the kingdom of heaven, words to that effect. The Book of Mormon clarifies, or reinforces what in the Bible is "the fulness of the everlasting gospel", thereby reducing argument on minutia that has caused sectarianism. As BY taught, those converted to the fulness of the gospel as contained in LDS scriptures have no argument with each other, no matter where in the world they come from. That is the role of the Book of Mormon, not to produce every doctrine that the church teaches....

Uncle Ed wrote:

Bazooka wrote:...

Can you point to where Mormonism teaches equally that one should read the Bible and the Book of Mormon pray to know of their truthfulness?
Mormonism only uses the Bible to try and show the Book of Mormon to be true and to associate more closely with Christianity.

Joseph Smith taught almost exclusively from the Bible.

The introduction to the Book of Mormon says: "It ... contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel."

Obviously, the "plain and precious truths" taken from the Bible did not remove "the everlasting gospel", which is defined as a knowledge of the existence and role of Jesus Christ unto salvation.

So no, you can't point to where Mormonism teaches equally that one should read the Bible and the Book of Mormon and pray to know of their truthfulness.

Separately, to the claim that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the Gospel.
I suppose we first need to understand what Mormonism considers part of the Gospel and what it doesn't.
For instance, is plural marriage part of the fulness of the Gospel and what does the Book of Mormon say about it?
Is God being an exalted man and the earth being created by a number of individuals part of the fulness of the Gospel and what does the Book of Mormon say about that?

I suspect (very strongly) that trying to establish what Mormonism considers 'the fulness of the Gospel' would be like trying to herd cats.

Article of Faith Nine, points to many more things to be revealed. Obviously, the doctrines relating to Infinity cannot be contained within the covers of any finite book.

It has been said that the Book of Mormon points the mind to Jesus Christ, and the Doctrine and Covenants points him to the kingdom of heaven, words to that effect. The Book of Mormon clarifies, or reinforces what in the Bible is "the fulness of the everlasting gospel", thereby reducing argument on minutia that has caused sectarianism. As BY taught, those converted to the fulness of the gospel as contained in LDS scriptures have no argument with each other, no matter where in the world they come from. That is the role of the Book of Mormon, not to produce every doctrine that the church teaches....

So no, you cannot clarify what constitutes 'the fulness of the Gospel' as far as Mormonism is concerned, nor categorically confirm that whatever this 'fulness' is, it is all contained within the Book of Mormon.