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Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:06 am
by _moksha
Religious freedom can mean the right to worship as we see fit.
It can also be used as a code phrase for the ability to limit the civil rights of homosexuals. The trick is to see through the trickery in the use of this phrase. That way you can avoid using a benign concept like religious freedom to harm others.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-apostle-holland-faith-family-freedomYour thoughts about this issue of using phrases like Religious Freedom or States Rights to mask your true intent?
Re: Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:00 am
by _Fence Sitter
I am waiting for my copy of
God vs. the Gavel: Religion and the Rule of Law to get here. Maybe after I have read it I'll have more to offer. From the book description
In this intelligent and forcefully argued book, Hamilton, a self-professed former "Polyanna" when it comes to religion, explores the thorny conflicts between religion and society, detailing how some religious groups and institutions misuse laws intended to protect religious freedoms to justify child abuse, employment discrimination and other ills. She is vocal in her criticism of efforts to exempt religious groups from the laws secular organizations must abide by, saving particular disdain for deal-making lawmakers, whom she compares to "hear-no-evil, see-no-evil, speak-no-evil monkeys." Hamilton dedicates about half of the book to examining six broad areas where religious groups enjoy special treatment-from marriage laws to preferential treatment within prisons to land use and local zoning ordinances. Passionately argued throughout, the book seems almost like Hamilton's atonement for her previous stance on these issues. (She quotes herself in the opening as having written 11 years ago that "the exercise of religion should Trump most governmental regulation.") Certainly of interest to those in the judicial and legislative realms, Hamilton has written this book for the average reader, though some may be confused by the myriad legal precedents and her descriptions of legislative maneuvering.
I am looking forward to what she has to say.
Re: Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:39 am
by _Crog
moksha wrote:Religious freedom can mean the right to worship as we see fit.
It can also be used as a code phrase for the ability to limit the civil rights of homosexuals. The trick is to see through the trickery in the use of this phrase. That way you can avoid using a benign concept like religious freedom to harm others.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-apostle-holland-faith-family-freedomYour thoughts about this issue of using phrases like Religious Freedom or States Rights to mask your true intent?
Or maybe you want too insert your narrative into some benign phrase... you call it"code" so you can make all the assumptions you want and twist it so you can feel better about your position without any facts to back it up! And create an enemy that does not exist! ! ! !
Re: Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:51 am
by _Crog
moksha wrote:Religious freedom can mean the right to worship as we see fit.
It can also be used as a code phrase for the ability to limit the civil rights of homosexuals. The trick is to see through the trickery in the use of this phrase. That way you can avoid using a benign concept like religious freedom to harm others.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-apostle-holland-faith-family-freedomYour thoughts about this issue of using phrases like Religious Freedom or States Rights to mask your true intent?
So you let some elitist tell you something is code for something you don't believe in so you fight against something that you probably would support if you truly understood it.....
Re: Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:02 am
by _Kittens_and_Jesus
Crog wrote:Or maybe you want too insert your narrative into some benign phrase... you call it"code" so you can make all the assumptions you want and twist it so you can feel better about your position without any facts to back it up! And create an enemy that does not exist! ! ! !
Have you heard of this thing, kinda new, called a 'question mark'?
Also, there is such a thing as too many exclamation points. They may need to be duplicated or even triplicated, but any space in between is superfluous.
A word of advice; eliminate the superfluous and live by the principle of 'mise en place". If you live by "mise en place" then things tend to fall into place naturally and life becomes harmonious.
Re: Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:22 am
by _Crog
Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:Crog wrote:
Or maybe you want too insert your narrative into some benign phrase... you call it"code" so you can make all the assumptions you want and twist it so you can feel better about your position without any facts to back it up! And create an enemy that does not exist! ! ! !
Have you heard of this thing, kinda new, called a 'question mark'?
Also, there is such a thing as too many exclamation points. They may need to be duplicated or even triplicated, but any space in between is superfluous.
A word of advice; eliminate the superfluous and live by the principle of 'mise en place". If you live by "mise en place" then things tend to fall into place naturally and life becomes harmonious.
I think they call that a derail kittens. tisk... Tisk... And you being here longer than me.
Really kittens? This is your... Advice? Something that has nothing to do with the subject! grammer policeing! Lol. Hey, ween are you going to fill me in on the drama you attributed me too.
Lol... Lol... Lol... at least if you are going to be passive aggressive, at least have some comment that has to do with the thread
You and ray, judging my style instead of the substance of what i wrote... Some people would call that pettiness! ! !
Eeexxccuuusseeee mmmmmeeeee.... I am Swyping on a smartphone.... Lol
Re: Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:57 am
by _Bazooka
moksha wrote:Religious freedom can mean the right to worship as we see fit.
It can also be used as a code phrase for the ability to limit the civil rights of homosexuals. The trick is to see through the trickery in the use of this phrase. That way you can avoid using a benign concept like religious freedom to harm others.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-apostle-holland-faith-family-freedomYour thoughts about this issue of using phrases like Religious Freedom or States Rights to mask your true intent?
I think if the Church was fighting to protect its legal right to refuse to conduct same sex marriages for it's members, then that would be doctrinally consistent. Although the Church already has this right so has no need to fight anything. This is the Church rallying against non members and trying to impose Mormon principles on non members. Not only us that wrong (how would the Church like it if non members were trying to impose non Mormon principles on the Church) but it is also against tge doctrines articulated in the articles of faith.
Re: Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:05 pm
by _subgenius
moksha wrote:Religious freedom can mean the right to worship as we see fit.
It can also be used as a code phrase for the ability to limit the civil rights of homosexuals. The trick is to see through the trickery in the use of this phrase. That way you can avoid using a benign concept like religious freedom to harm others.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-apostle-holland-faith-family-freedomYour thoughts about this issue of using phrases like Religious Freedom or States Rights to mask your true intent?
"...to mask your true intent"? how absurd, that is my thought.
exactly how is any intent being masked?
your mis-characterization is a sophomoric attempt to demonize a position you are in opposition to...does that mean you are masking your intent? is there some sort of ambiguity with the church's policy, er intent, on the LGBT?
further more "civil rights of homosexuals"? wha?...homersexuals are not a protected nor immutable class.
homosexuals and heterosexuals enjoy the same civil rights as whites, blacks, and handicap people...though homosexuals may qualify for the latter as well.
never the less, let us talk about a more widespread of masking intent, that you oh so conveniently avoid:
the government uses these signs to mask their true intent...they want to limit my right to veer carelessly all over the road at 7mph.
Re: Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:21 pm
by _The Erotic Apologist
moksha wrote:Your thoughts about this issue of using phrases like Religious Freedom or States Rights to mask your true intent?
The term "States' Rights" is code for "The War of Northern Aggression was a tax dispute that had nothing to do with slavery."
Re: Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:11 pm
by _The Erotic Apologist
