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Life and our religious devotions are not about earning brownie points for added bonus exaltation. God granted this through his Grace. We worship to give thanks to God, rather than appeasing or coaxing God to free us from droughts, deluges, earthquakes and the dread fire demons, like our more primitive ancestors did.

Some may argue that it is through the Atonement that Grace is achieved. Others may argue that it is the unconditional love of a Creator for His Creation. Still others may argue that it has been this way for billions of years, much like the policy of first contact through the universal Stargate System.

Good works stand alone. Jesus told us to do them. Almost all religions have this same urging and all worthwhile ethical systems do so as well. It is good policy and separates us from the Ferengi and Ayn Randians.

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moksha wrote:Life and our religious devotions are not about earning brownie points for added bonus exaltation.

Mormonism version - "Life and our religious devotions are about earning brownie points for added bonus exaltation."

God granted this through his Grace. We worship to give thanks to God, rather than appeasing or coaxing God to free us from droughts, deluges, earthquakes and the dread fire demons, like our more primitive ancestors did.

Mormonism version - "God granted this through His Grace so long as we obey the laws and ordinances of the Mormon Gospel. We worship to give thanks to God, Jesus, Joseph Smith and Heavenly Mother (but we keep quiet about that one) and actively try to appease and coax God to free us from droughts, deluges, earthquakes and the dread fire demons exactly like our more primitive pre-adamite ancestors did except we sacrifice family relationships rather than animals nowadays."

Some may argue that it is through the Atonement that Grace is achieved. Others may argue that it is the unconditional love of a Creator for His Creation. Still others may argue that it has been this way for billions of years, much like the policy of first contact through the universal Stargate System.

Mormonism version - "Some may argue that it is through the Atonement that Grace is achieved. Others may argue that it is the unconditional love of a Creator for His Creation. Still others may argue that it has been this way for billions of years, much like the policy of first contact through the universal Stargate System. They are all wrong. It is through our obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Mormon Gospel that Grace is achieved and it has been that way since 4,000 BCE when human life on this planet began with the fall of Adam and Eve."

Good works stand alone. Jesus told us to do them. Almost all religions have this same urging and all worthwhile ethical systems do so as well. It is good policy and separates us from the Ferengi and Ayn Randians.

Mormonism version - "Good works are not enough. Regardless of what Jesus said (which may have been translated incorrectly) we must also comply with all the stipulations of the Mormon Church with regards to every aspect of our lives, including our dress sense and penchant for earrings and body art. Almost all religions have the "good works stand alone" urging and all worthwhile ethical systems do so as well. But they won't make it to Gods top level of Grace, only us Mormons can do that."

well, this thread title was a red herring.... (or is was it intended to be ironic?)

subgenius wrote:well, this thread title was a red herring.... (or is was it intended to be ironic?)

Out of curiousity, what did you think it would be about?

The traditional Christian understanding of grace is not that it is God's unconditional love but that it is God's love that we do not deserve...something we do not merit but that he gives anyway.

moksha wrote:

subgenius wrote:well, this thread title was a red herring.... (or is was it intended to be ironic?)

Out of curiousity, what did you think it would be about?

"Thoughts regarding God's Grace"

Clearly, the only posts not on the topic are yours. Do you have something to offer on the subject of God's grace?

just noticing that the OP had no "thoughts" conveyed...but rather just some sort of historicism

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if the OP is trying to open the discussion of sola fide then so be it...but i have not read any thoughts, merely proclamations.

Besides the "Grace Alone" argument is not supported by scripture(s) - it is contradicted by it - the 10 commandments are the most compelling argument for this contradiction - for if "works" were for naught then the commandments are non-enforceable..

Perhaps you could explain what exactly you mean by "grace alone". It is a term I am unfamiliar with as you use it. As scripture does very clearly demonstrate, the book of Romans being a good example, salvation is ultimately by God's grace (merit and favor we do not earn or deserve) but the requirement for that grace to be effective to salvation requires faith in the Son.