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”who although being essentially one with God and in the Form of God {possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD} did not think this equality with God was a thing to be grasped or retained.” Philippians 2:6 Amplified version

9 “For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.” 2 Cor 8:

Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

All these verses have same message and written by Paul

I highlighted a certain word in Hebrews 12:10 if you are a Mormon you probably don't know what that for really means and if you don't that verse probably don't make since to you .

Since Mormon don't dance in Worship the video below will be offensive to them

http://youtu.be/wcIAV6EB_rM

Why Worshipper dance in the Santuary

"Praise the Lord! Sing to The Lord a new song, His praise in the assembly of the faithful! Let Israel be glad in his Maker, let the sons of Zion rejoice in their King! Let them praise His Name with dancing, making melody to Him with timbrel and lyre! For The Lord takes pleasure in His people; He adorns the humble with victory." (Psalm 149:1-4 RSV)

"And it was told King David, "The Lord has blessed the household of Obed-edom and all that belongs to him, because of the Ark of God." So David went and brought up the Ark of God from the house of Obed-edom to the city of David with rejoicing; and when those who bore the Ark of The Lord had gone six paces, he sacrificed an ox and a fatling. And David danced before The Lord with all his might" (2 Samuel 6:12-14 RSV)

"For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven: a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance" (Ecclesiastes 3:1-4 RSV)

Psalm 150
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

"They shall come and sing aloud on the height of Zion, and they shall be radiant over the goodness of The Lord, over the grain, the wine, and the oil, and over the young of the flock and the herd; their life shall be like a watered garden, and they shall languish no more. Then shall the maidens rejoice in the dance, and the young men and the old shall be merry." (Jeremiah 31:12-13 RSV)

Mittens wrote:”who although being essentially one with God and in the Form of God {possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD}

No, that's not what μορφη means at all. It refers to appearance. There's certainly no additional "fullness" qualification anywhere in sight.

Mittens wrote:did not think this equality with God was a thing to be grasped or retained.” Philippians 2:6 Amplified version

Nice of your translation to translate the word αρπαγμον twice.

Mittens wrote:9 “For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.” 2 Cor 8:

Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

All these verses have same message and written by Paul

No, Paul didn't write Hebrews.

Mittens wrote:I highlighted a certain word in Hebrews 12:10 if you are a Mormon you probably don't know what that for really means and if you don't that verse probably don't make since to you .

What sectarian nonsense.

Mittens wrote:Since Mormon don't dance in Worship the video below will be offensive to them

Since you don't know how to read the Bible, is it offensive to you when I explain what it means to you?

Mittens wrote:
I highlighted a certain word in Hebrews 12:10 if you are a Mormon you probably don't know what that for really means and if you don't that verse probably don't make since to you .

What sectarian nonsense.

So Mak Attack, attacker of God's Word doesn't know the root word for for and the true understanding of this passage just like I predicted,so he wants to turn the debate to who wrote Hebrews .

Mak must know who wrote Hebrews if it wasn't Paul

http://www.fredsbibletalk.com/fb002.html

There are other questions to ask in regards to defending Paul’s authorship of Hebrews. I have not attempted to give a solution for every problem. The absence of Paul’s customary greeting, for instance, is still an issue. I have no idea why Paul left his name off this letter. Who knows? Perhaps he was afraid of offending some of the potential readers, or maybe the enemies of his readers. Also, the language style of Hebrews is different. Though there are many similarities to Paul’s other epistles, as I pointed out above, any person familiar with Greek will note a slight difference in syntax and style. But, that may be due in part to the purpose of Hebrews. Whereas most of Paul’s epistles were personal letters to individuals (Timothy, Philemon, Titus), and congregations (the churches in Rome, Corinth, Thessalonica) giving advice and correcting doctrine, Hebrews was written to address a specific theological theme: the superiority of Jesus Christ and the New Covenant over Judaism and the Old Covenant. A personal letter to a friend, or the family, is going to read different than an official report for a history class; even though they are different in style, the same person did write them. Whatever the case is with Hebrews, the recipients knew who the author was, or they would not have received the epistle, nor would it have found a place in the New Testament. I believe this is because they, as well as the early church, understood that Paul wrote it.

Mittens wrote:So Mak Attack, attacker of God's Word doesn't know the root word for for and the true understanding of this passage

Well, the word translated "for" is επι, which is a generic preposition that can mean upon, on, at, by, for, over, against, across, etc. It The associated participle is in the accusative. Did you have a point to make?

Mittens wrote::lol: just like I predicted,so he wants to turn the debate to who wrote Hebrews .

Right.

Mittens wrote:Mak must know who wrote Hebrews if it wasn't Paul

Right, because if you know someone didn't write something, you are required to know who did write it. That's how textual and source criticism work.

Mittens wrote:http://www.fredsbibletalk.com/fb002.html

Well, that's a terribly written and horrifically argued article. For instance:

The earliest and complete Pauline corpus is the Chester Beatty manuscript, p46, dated about 200 AD.

Except P46 was not a complete text of the Pauline corpus. We are missing several pages that likely had the rest of 1 Thessalonians and likely 2 Thessalonians, but there aren't enough pages missing from the folios to have included the pastoral epistles. The article basically argues that tradition insists it might be Pauline, and because the epistle ends "grace be with you all," it must be Pauline (even though the numerous other Pauline elements are completely lacking).

Mittens wrote:There are other questions to ask in regards to defending Paul’s authorship of Hebrews. I have not attempted to give a solution for every problem. The absence of Paul’s customary greeting, for instance, is still an issue. I have no idea why Paul left his name off this letter. Who knows?

Oh, that's a great argument in favor of Pauline authorship.

Mittens wrote:Perhaps he was afraid of offending some of the potential readers, or maybe the enemies of his readers. Also, the language style of Hebrews is different. Though there are many similarities to Paul’s other epistles, as I pointed out above, any person familiar with Greek will note a slight difference in syntax and style. But, that may be due in part to the purpose of Hebrews.

Or it may be because Paul didn't write it.

Mittens wrote:Whereas most of Paul’s epistles were personal letters to individuals (Timothy, Philemon, Titus), and congregations (the churches in Rome, Corinth, Thessalonica) giving advice and correcting doctrine, Hebrews was written to address a specific theological theme: the superiority of Jesus Christ and the New Covenant over Judaism and the Old Covenant. A personal letter to a friend, or the family, is going to read different than an official report for a history class; even though they are different in style, the same person did write them.

Which is just an assumption.

Mittens wrote:Whatever the case is with Hebrews, the recipients knew who the author was, or they would not have received the epistle, nor would it have found a place in the New Testament. I believe this is because they, as well as the early church, understood that Paul wrote it.

So the article isn't making an academic case, it's stating a belief that has no real academic support. Brilliant.

lets make since of Hebrews 12:10 the for

the for there means in exchange. So Jesus exchanged joy for sorrow by dying on the cross, Jesus was the Almighty God on his throne in heaven sharing equality with the Father along with riches and exchanged that position for being a slave and being poor for his creation .

”who although being essentially one with God and in the Form of God {possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD} did not think this equality with God was a thing to be grasped or retained.” Philippians 2:6 Amplified version

9 “For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.” 2 Cor 8:

Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Mak attacks Bible lesson for today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkMY88D ... e=youtu.be

What? There are Mormons on the board?

My favorite is my sig line.

msnobody wrote:What? There are Mormons on the board?

My favorite is my sig line.

There certainly be no shortage of murmurers and complainers....i often wonder how it is Mittens - "[hates] even the garment spotted with flesh"?

Wow, the OP sure was a bunch of crazy.

All the best mittens.