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an anomaly to agree with Gordon B. Hinckley's

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:42 pm
by _Mittens
http://youtu.be/tkMY88DZcGU

Mosiah 3:5 For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.


3 Nephi 19:
18 And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.

Mosiah 5:15 Therefore, I would that ye should be steadfast and immovable, always abounding in good works, that Christ, the Lord God Omnipotent, may seal you his, that you may be brought to heaven, that ye may have everlasting salvation and eternal life, through the wisdom, and power, and justice, and mercy of him who created all things, in heaven and in earth, who is God above all. Amen.

An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven—Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations—And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.

Translated by Joseph Smith, Jun.

2 Nephi 26:12 And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews, that Jesus is the very Christ, it must needs be that the Gentiles be convinced also that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God;

These quotes sure don't sound like the Jesus of Mormonism do they ?


Hinckley says Mormons Believe in a Different Jesus

by Matt Slick

"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).

Christians have long maintained that Mormonism teaches a Jesus that is different from what the Bible reveals. Of course, the Mormons say that they believe in the same Jesus that originally walked on the earth and is revealed in the Bible. Though they may make this claim, it is up to them to prove it--especially in light of what Mormonism says about God and Jesus.

In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and of you and me (McConkie, p. 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife, and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.

Very few, if any, of the 'different' Mormon doctrines are found in their Standard Works: the Bible, The Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price. Rather, they are taught by Mormons of high standing: prophets, apostles, members of the 70 Quorum. McConkie, for example, was a member of the 70's Quorum, a very high ranking Mormon, and wrote the book, Mormon Doctrine, from which much of the documentation for this is taken.



http://youtu.be/tkMY88DZcGU

Re: an anomaly to agree with Gordon B. Hinckley's

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:56 am
by _Mittens
https://www.LDS.org/ensign/1971/04/the- ... n?lang=eng

Here's Joseph Smith's sermon I disagree with

Re: an anomaly to agree with Gordon B. Hinckley's

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:09 am
by _sunstoned
Joseph Smith's doctrine evolved over time. It started out very much along the lines of nineteenth protestant Christianity. It was apocalyptic, and very much anti-Catholic. The Book of Mormon is an example of this early period. Christ and God are one, saved by grace, no infant baptism, great and abdominal church, and all the last days stuff. The evolution of the nature of God is the most striking. Within just a few years Joseph Smith was teaching the concept of physical bodies (the first vision narrative modified to support this), and the idea of polytheism was introduced in the King Follett discourse in 1844.

No telling where this all might have ended if Joseph Smith had not been murdered.

Re: an anomaly to agree with Gordon B. Hinckley's

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:40 pm
by _Bazooka
sunstoned wrote:Joseph Smith's doctrine evolved over time. It started out very much along the lines of nineteenth protestant Christianity. It was apocalyptic, and very much anti-Catholic. The Book of Mormon is an example of this early period. Christ and God are one, saved by grace, no infant baptism, great and abdominal church, and all the last days stuff. The evolution of the nature of God is the most striking. Within just a few years Joseph Smith was teaching the concept of physical bodies (the first vision narrative modified to support this), and the idea of polytheism was introduced in the King Follett discourse in 1844.

No telling where this all might have ended if Joseph Smith had not been murdered.


That great and abdominal Church makes me sick to my stomach....

Re: an anomaly to agree with Gordon B. Hinckley's

Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:38 am
by _Mittens
is that Mormonism ?

Re: an anomaly to agree with Gordon B. Hinckley's

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:37 pm
by _Mittens
Jesus Stripped his equality with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit and humbled himself to the form of a slave.

”Who although being essentially one with God and in the Form of God {possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD} did not think this equality with God was a thing to be grasped or retained.” Philippians 2:6 Amplified version

9 “For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.” 2 Cor. 8:9

Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

In the original language “for the joy” means “he exchanged Joy for Shame”.

Thank you Jesus for coming down from your throne in heaven where you were the Almighty God, you were rich yet you became poor. You were Almighty yet you emptied yourself and became a humble slave, you exchanged joy for sorrow , sorrow by dying a shameful death on a cross. Thank you Jesus


Luke 2:51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. 52And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man."

It's interesting how Jesus The Almighty God the creator of everything that exist both in heaven and earth humbled himself to a point where he was obedient to Mary and Joseph one of the poorest couples in the world he created.

Re: an anomaly to agree with Gordon B. Hinckley's

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:21 pm
by _Mittens
sunstoned wrote:Joseph Smith's doctrine evolved over time. It started out very much along the lines of nineteenth protestant Christianity. It was apocalyptic, and very much anti-Catholic. The Book of Mormon is an example of this early period. Christ and God are one, saved by grace, no infant baptism, great and abdominal church, and all the last days stuff. The evolution of the nature of God is the most striking. Within just a few years Joseph Smith was teaching the concept of physical bodies (the first vision narrative modified to support this), and the idea of polytheism was introduced in the King Follett discourse in 1844.

No telling where this all might have ended if Joseph Smith had not been murdered.


Wasn't the God of the Book of Mormon omniscient? if he was why would it need to evolve :lol:

Re: an anomaly to agree with Gordon B. Hinckley's

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:32 pm
by _The CCC
Mittens wrote:
sunstoned wrote:Joseph Smith's doctrine evolved over time. It started out very much along the lines of nineteenth protestant Christianity. It was apocalyptic, and very much anti-Catholic. The Book of Mormon is an example of this early period. Christ and God are one, saved by grace, no infant baptism, great and abdominal church, and all the last days stuff. The evolution of the nature of God is the most striking. Within just a few years Joseph Smith was teaching the concept of physical bodies (the first vision narrative modified to support this), and the idea of polytheism was introduced in the King Follett discourse in 1844.

No telling where this all might have ended if Joseph Smith had not been murdered.


Wasn't the God of the Book of Mormon omniscient? if he was why would it need to evolve :lol:


God is omniscient, us mortals are not. The Articles of Faith written by Joseph Smith demand further knowledge and correction from God.

Re: an anomaly to agree with Gordon B. Hinckley's

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:22 pm
by _Mayan Elephant
Bazooka wrote:
sunstoned wrote:Joseph Smith's doctrine evolved over time. It started out very much along the lines of nineteenth protestant Christianity. It was apocalyptic, and very much anti-Catholic. The Book of Mormon is an example of this early period. Christ and God are one, saved by grace, no infant baptism, great and abdominal church, and all the last days stuff. The evolution of the nature of God is the most striking. Within just a few years Joseph Smith was teaching the concept of physical bodies (the first vision narrative modified to support this), and the idea of polytheism was introduced in the King Follett discourse in 1844.

No telling where this all might have ended if Joseph Smith had not been murdered.


That great and abdominal Church makes me sick to my stomach....


this one?

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Re: an anomaly to agree with Gordon B. Hinckley's

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:47 am
by _Mittens
Mormon god is a fallen saved finite and exalted

"The Gods who dwell in the Heaven...have been redeemed from the grave in a world which existed before the foundations of this earth were laid. They and the Heavenly body which they now inhabit were once in a fallen state....they were exalted also, from fallen men to Celestial Gods to inhabit their Heaven forever and ever." (Apostle Orson Pratt in The Seer, page 23)

Would you think fallen means sinner

In the 1844 LDS publication, Times and Seasons, volume 5, pages 613-614,... Joseph Smith reiterated that God was an exalted man and that Mormon men could also become Gods. This teaching is well documented, as is their claim that God is not a spirit being, but that he has a body of flesh and bone.

“God is a perfected, saved soul enjoying eternal life.” (Second Counselor in the First Presidency, Marion G. Romney, as per Salt Lake Tribune, April 3, 1977.)

It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being; and yet we are not in such close communion with him as many have supposed. He has passed on, and is exalted far beyond what we can now comprehend.
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 334

The Book of Mormon even contradicts the Mormon god

2 Nephi 26:12 And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews, that Jesus is the very Christ, it must needs be that the Gentiles be convinced also that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God;

Mosiah 3:5 For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.

Very clear that Mormon Jesus is different Jesus than traditional Christianity and I still agree with Gordon B Hinkley :lol: