The Book of Mormon, getting some insights

[_passenger]

The Third Book of Nephi is oftenly called "a book within the Book of Mormon". Jesus, after his crucifixion, and before his resurrection, appeared to the old America's tribes and, thus, gave them the choice of return.

Chapter 14

Jesus commands: Judge not; ask of God; beware of false prophets—He promises salvation to those who do the will of the Father—Compare Matthew 7. About A.D. 34.

1 And now it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words he turned again to the multitude, and did open his mouth unto them again, saying: Verily, verily, I say unto you, Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother: Let me pull the mote out of thine eye—and behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7 Ask, and it shall be given unto you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

8 For every one that asketh, receiveth; and he that seeketh, findeth; and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened.

9 Or what man is there of you, who, if his son ask bread, will give him a stone?

10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father who is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12 Therefore, all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them, for this is the law and the prophets.

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, which leadeth to destruction, and many there be who go in thereat;

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them: I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore, whoso heareth these sayings of mine and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, who built his house upon a rock—

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not, for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine and doeth them not shall be likened unto a foolish man, who built his house upon the sand—

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell, and great was the fall of it.

[_AmyJo]

Yeay, this passage was borrowed directly from the Sermon on the Mount, of Matthew Chapter 7.

[_passenger]

Yeay, this passage was borrowed directly from the Sermon on the Mount, of Matthew Chapter 7.

If you believe that the Sermon on the Mount is authentic, and the words were Jesus own words, I can't see why the passage in the Book of Mormon should not be identical with Matthew Chapter 7.

Anyway, at the beginning of the chapter you can read "compare Matthew 7". The events in Nephi 3 date from approx. the year 34 A. D. I wouldn't be concerned about the fact that there are certain similarities between the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

[_Themis]

Yeay, this passage was borrowed directly from the Sermon on the Mount, of Matthew Chapter 7.

If you believe that the Sermon on the Mount is authentic, and the words were Jesus own words, I can't see why the passage in the Book of Mormon should not be identical with Matthew Chapter 7.

Possibly because you haven't thought about it enough. Where do we get the biblical version of the sermon on the mount from?

[_SteelHead]

3rd hand accounts some 30+ years later,and yet it matches word for word the first hand account from the Book of Mormon?

#tendermercies

[_passenger]

Possibly because you haven't thought about it enough. Where do we get the biblical version of the sermon on the mount from?

Tell me.

[_passenger]

3rd hand accounts some 30+ years later,and yet it matches word for word the first hand account from the Book of Mormon?

#tendermercies

Why not? As long as it's the will of God...? Or would you think God wasn't able to manage it? If HE is the creator of this universe, and maybe other uncountable universes, what's a scripture for HIM? Do you understand the mysteries of nature and science? Do you understand why this universe is forced to expansion by that so-called "dark energy"? Do you understand the mysteries of the Quantum Field Theory? Do you understand the effects and mysteries of relativity and gravity?

But you certainly know about "3rd hand accounts", and you wonder how those scriptures could contain such similarities. You certainly don't understand God's creation, as no man and no scientist knows, but you claim to doubt about the scriptures and their authenticity, in spite of the fact that this was nothing for God the Almighty to arrange. If HIS truth is the everlasting truth, why shouldn't HE be able and willing to reveal this truth in a way we don't understand or retrace?

The problem I see is that you, and not only you, apparently doubt HIS unlimited power. That's the most important point. If you don't agree that God has unlimited power and uncountable ways to reveal HIS message to mankind, how could you believe in HIM? Either you accept HE is God, and you accept HE can reveal things the way HE likes and HE thinks it's necessary, or you don't, and you don't think or believe HE is almighty.

[_Themis]

3rd hand accounts some 30+ years later,and yet it matches word for word the first hand account from the Book of Mormon?

#tendermercies

Why not? As long as it's the will of God...? Or would you think God wasn't able to manage it?

The issue is not if a creator of the universe is capable of it, but why we see what we do. We know the story in the Bible is not first hand and is written much later by someone who was not there. The only way they could get an accurate account is from God, but we see no evidence or claims to this. The account in the Book of Mormon would have similar problems if it really happened. The fact the two accounts are essentially word for word is a major problem. God would know this is huge evidence against so one wonders why God would help to create evidence against the Book of Mormon.

[_subgenius]

Possibly because you haven't thought about it enough. Where do we get the biblical version of the sermon on the mount from?

Most scholars believe the Gospel of Matthew was composed between 80 and 90 CE, with a range of possibility between 70 to 110 CE. A pre-70 date remains a minority view. The anonymous author was probably a male Jew, standing on the margin between traditional and non-traditional Jewish values, and familiar with technical legal aspects of scripture being debated in his time. Writing in a polished Semitic "synagogue Greek", he drew on three main sources, the Gospel of Mark, the hypothetical collection of sayings known as the Q source, and material unique to his own community, called "Special Matthew", or the M source.

The gospel of Matthew is a creative reinterpretation of Mark, stressing Jesus' teachings as much as his acts, and making subtle changes in order to reveal his divine nature

when considering the notion of another person "thinking it through", perhaps it is best that you first do the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS

[_Themis]

Possibly because you haven't thought about it enough. Where do we get the biblical version of the sermon on the mount from?

Most scholars believe the Gospel of Matthew was composed between 80 and 90 CE, with a range of possibility between 70 to 110 CE. A pre-70 date remains a minority view. The anonymous author was probably a male Jew, standing on the margin between traditional and non-traditional Jewish values, and familiar with technical legal aspects of scripture being debated in his time. Writing in a polished Semitic "synagogue Greek", he drew on three main sources, the Gospel of Mark, the hypothetical collection of sayings known as the Q source, and material unique to his own community, called "Special Matthew", or the M source.

The gospel of Matthew is a creative reinterpretation of Mark, stressing Jesus' teachings as much as his acts, and making subtle changes in order to reveal his divine nature

when considering the notion of another person "thinking it through", perhaps it is best that you first do the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS

Get back to me when you have something that disagrees with anything I said. All you did was support my position and why passenger hasn't thought it through. Are you having trouble with reading comprehension or just not understanding the problem subby?