Peep stones from devil

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Peep stones from devil

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See DEVIL, REVELATION, URIM AND THUMMIM. In imitation of the true order of heaven whereby seers receive revelations from God through a Urim and Thummim, the devil gives his own revelations to some of his followers through peep stones or crystal balls. An instance of this copying of the true order occurred in the early days of this dispensation. Hiram Page had such a stone and was professing to have revelations for the upbuilding of Zion and the governing of the Church. Oliver Cowdery and some others were wrongly influenced thereby in consequence of which Oliver was commanded by revelation: "Thou shalt take thy brother, Hiram Page, between him and thee alone, and tell him that those things which he hath written from that stone are not of me, and that Satan deceiveth him." (D. & C. 28:11.) Mormon Doctrine Bruce R McConkie

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This is why they call Joseph's a "Seer Stone". He does the exact same thing with his that Hiram Page did, but Page's is a "Peep Stone" and Joseph's is a "Seer Stone". But Joseph could use his "Seer Stone" for moneydigging, and it was still a "Seer Stone". This stuff is beyond silly.
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If you look up "Seer Stone" in Mormon Doctrine, it says, "See URIM AND THUMMIM".
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This is just one example of why Mormon Doctrine had to go.
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RockSlider wrote:This is just one example of why Mormon Doctrine had to go.


An acccurate name for BRM's Mormon Doctrine is BRM's Doctrine.
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My mission was a great time to learn to appreciate the gift of the spirit known as skepticism. The 2 LDS authors that dominated Deseret Book at the time I served were Bruce McConkie and Paul Dunn. I vowed to never purchase or read another book published by a general authority. It's a money making scheme like so much of what goes on in the Church. Notice that none of them these days put out anything that is really new or doctrinal. I can get pretty much the same life living advice from Dear Abby.
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jaberwocky wrote:My mission was a great time to learn to appreciate the gift of the spirit known as skepticism. The 2 LDS authors that dominated Deseret Book at the time I served were Bruce McConkie and Paul Dunn. I vowed to never purchase or read another book published by a general authority. It's a money making scheme like so much of what goes on in the Church. Notice that none of them these days put out anything that is really new or doctrinal. I can get pretty much the same life living advice from Dear Abby.


Money making? Hardly. The book buying base of the LDS membership is very small. Sales seldom if ever exceed the cost of publication.

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RockSlider wrote:This is just one example of why Mormon Doctrine had to go.


I thought it was because Bruce R McConkie said God was omniscience :rolleyes:


"Jan 7-8, 1960 - First Presidency decides that Bruce R. McConkie’s Mormon Doctrine “must not be re-published, as it is full of errors and misstatements, and it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation.” They are exasperated that McConkie and his publisher released the book without pre-publication publicity or notifying First Presidency. Even his father-in-law, senior apostle, Joseph Fielding Smith, “did not know anything about it until it was published.” This is McConkie’s way to avoid repetition of Presidency’s stopping his pre-announced Sound Doctrine three years earlier.

Committee of two apostles (Mark E Petersen and Marion G Romney) reports that McConkie’s Mormon Doctrine contains 1,067 doctrinal errors. For example, page 493 said: “Those who falsely and erroneously suppose that God is progressing in knowledge and gaining new truths cannot exercise sufficient faith in him to gain salvation until they divest themselves of their false beliefs.”[b] However, McConkie is affirming doctrine of omniscience officially condemned by previous First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in 1865.”

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Two contradictory OPINIONS. At least, that is what they are selling now...
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Many of you are overlooking the fact that such things are promised in Revelation through John.

According to John, such will be granted to each of the faithful who have overcome:

https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/New Testament/rev/2.17?lang=eng#16
Joseph Smith: "I don't blame any one for not believing my history. If I had not experienced what I have, I would not have believed it myself."
https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/Book of Mormon/alm ... ang=eng#20
Red pill: https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/New Testament/acts/ ... ang=eng#10
Blue pill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNOrp_83RU
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