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Reason for Anatomical status in Terrestrial & Telestial
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:29 am
by _moksha
Anatomical smoothness (no gender) will be featured in the Terrestrial and Telestial Kingdoms to keep Mormon men from opting for eternal hedonism in those places as opposed to a never-ending High Priests Quorum and Family Home Evening in the Celestial Kingdom.
What are your thoughts as to the reason of this theological proposition?
Could we assume that the Terrestrialites and Telestialites will still have wine and song to tide them over?
Re: Reason for Anatomical status in Terrestrial & Telestial
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:04 pm
by _Lemmie
I'm not sure about Jo Smith's answer, but Kevin Smith took a stab at it in the movie
Dogma; he explains angels, anatomical smoothness, and the rationale for the non-imbibement of alcohol:
Metatron: Angels are ill-equipped.
[he drops his pants to show blank skin where his genitals should be]
Metatron: See? I'm as anatomically impaired as a Ken doll.
...
Metatron: So once he's done with the firstborn, Loki takes his friend Bartleby out for a post-slaughter drink. And over many rounds, they get into this discussion about whether or not murder in the name of God is okay. And in the end, Bartleby convinces Loki to quit his position and take a lesser one that doesn't involve slaughter. So - very inebriated - Loki tells God he quits, throws down his fiery sword, and gives Him the finger. Which ruins it for the rest of us, because from that day forward, God decreed that all angels could no longer imbibe alcohol. Hence all the spitting.
Sounds as believable as Mormon stuff, and since DCP has decreed that you can't rule out a supernatural story unless you have a fully coherent explanation of everything, not to mention his Ockham's Razor corollary (Ockham's Tweezer?) that
an-angel-did-it is, a priori, simpler than any real-world explanation, I say Kevin's version works.
Re: Reason for Anatomical status in Terrestrial & Telestial
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:25 pm
by _Bike275
Mormons are all about sex, or more correctly about controlling sex, as in who can and who can not. The thought of eternal sex is suppose to make you want to behave and the thought of eternal smoothness is meant to scare you into behaving.
Re: Reason for Anatomical status in Terrestrial & Telestial
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:21 pm
by _Corsair
Mormonism is a very materialist faith. The removal of genitals is a natural conclusion for the unfaithful when Super VIP Heaven includes polygamy and an eternal increase with children. This was an idea taught by Joseph Fielding Smith in Doctrines of Salvation volume 2
Joseph Fielding Smith wrote:They will not have the power of increase, neither the power or nature to live as husbands and wives, for this will be denied them and they cannot increase. Those who receive the exaltation in the celestial kingdom will have the “continuation of the seeds forever.” They will live in the family relationship. In the terrestrial and in the telestial kingdoms there will be no marriage. Those who enter there will remain “separately and singly” forever. Some of the functions in the celestial body will not appear in the terrestrial body, neither in the telestial body, and the power of procreation will be removed. I take it that men and women will, in these kingdoms, be just what the so-called Christian world expects us all to be – neither man nor woman, merely immortal beings having received the resurrection
The
Doctrines of the Gospel student manual references this book so it is still reasonably authoritative. But it would be high comedy to get a panel of apostles to rule on which parts of the book remained "official doctrine" and which parts might be considered "well formed opinion, but speaking as a man".
Re: Reason for Anatomical status in Terrestrial & Telestial
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:29 pm
by _Maksutov
Corsair wrote:Mormonism is a very materialist faith. The removal of genitals is a natural conclusion for the unfaithful when Super VIP Heaven includes polygamy and an eternal increase with children. This was an idea taught by Joseph Fielding Smith in Doctrines of Salvation volume 2
Joseph Fielding Smith wrote:They will not have the power of increase, neither the power or nature to live as husbands and wives, for this will be denied them and they cannot increase. Those who receive the exaltation in the celestial kingdom will have the “continuation of the seeds forever.” They will live in the family relationship. In the terrestrial and in the telestial kingdoms there will be no marriage. Those who enter there will remain “separately and singly” forever. Some of the functions in the celestial body will not appear in the terrestrial body, neither in the telestial body, and the power of procreation will be removed. I take it that men and women will, in these kingdoms, be just what the so-called Christian world expects us all to be – neither man nor woman, merely immortal beings having received the resurrection
The
Doctrines of the Gospel student manual references this book so it is still reasonably authoritative. But it would be high comedy to get a panel of apostles to rule on which parts of the book remained "official doctrine" and which parts might be considered "well formed opinion, but speaking as a man".
Wow. So Barbie and Ken are postmortal representations of most members of this board.
