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You guys will find this fun. Some may find it offensive (tapir) but here you go.

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... mites.html

I will be gone for a bit but post all comments questions and criticisms and I will get back to you.

David McKane, you are sick. Your attempts to distort the culture and history of living people is offensive and racist.
http://www.cherokeephoenix.org/Article/Index/1778

tapirrider wrote:David McKane, you are sick. Your attempts to distort the culture and history of living people is offensive and racist.
http://www.cherokeephoenix.org/Article/Index/1778

Tapir rider there are some Cherokee clans that believe they are from Hebrew descent.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dMT0MePKRf8
Also native Americans share a same Dna marker with the people of Isreal.
Native Americans and Israeli people have the highest amounts of the dna marker. Just like some Cherokee members believe they are of Jewish descent I believe it's from the tribe of menassah not of the tribe of Judah. The tribe of menassah fell away from Jewish practice when the tribe came under Assyrian rule in 723BC.

bomgeography wrote:
Tapir rider there are some Cherokee clans that believe they are from Hebrew descent.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dMT0MePKRf8
Also native Americans share a same Dna marker with the people of Isreal.
Native Americans and Israeli people have the highest amounts of the dna marker. Just like some Cherokee members believe they are of Jewish descent I believe it's from the tribe of menassah not of the tribe of Judah. The tribe of menassah fell away from Jewish practice when the tribe came under Assyrian rule in 723BC.

Are you stupid? The Central Band of Cherokee is a fake tribe that could not even prove Cherokee ancestry when they tried for Federal recognition. What in the hell is wrong with you?

All anyone has to do is read the Bureau of Indian Affairs final determination against granting the Central Band of Cherokee federal tribal status. It is signed by Larry Echo Hawk, who is now an LDS general authority.
http://bia.gov/cs/groups/xofa/documents ... 017585.pdf

The BIA document tells is all. It lays out the efforts and pseudo nonsense that Joe White (a.k.a. Sitting Owl) and others tried to use to get federal recognition of their fake tribe. Page 18 sums it all up by stating that not even one of the so called Indians could show that they were descended from any Indian tribe.

"The evidence shows the petitioner’s members and claimed ancestors were consistently identified as non-Indians living in non-Indian communities."

"none of the group’s members have demonstrated descent from a historical Indian tribe or tribes that combined."

tapirrider wrote:

bomgeography wrote:
Tapir rider there are some Cherokee clans that believe they are from Hebrew descent.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dMT0MePKRf8
Also native Americans share a same Dna marker with the people of Isreal.
Native Americans and Israeli people have the highest amounts of the dna marker. Just like some Cherokee members believe they are of Jewish descent I believe it's from the tribe of menassah not of the tribe of Judah. The tribe of menassah fell away from Jewish practice when the tribe came under Assyrian rule in 723BC.

Are you stupid? The Central Band of Cherokee is a fake tribe that could not even prove Cherokee ancestry when they tried for Federal recognition. What in the hell is wrong with you?

All anyone has to do is read the Bureau of Indian Affairs final determination against granting the Central Band of Cherokee federal tribal status. It is signed by Larry Echo Hawk, who is now an LDS general authority.
http://bia.gov/cs/groups/xofa/documents ... 017585.pdf

The BIA document tells is all. It lays out the efforts and pseudo nonsense that Joe White (a.k.a. Sitting Owl) and others tried to use to get federal recognition of their fake tribe. Page 18 sums it all up by stating that not even one of the so called Indians could show that they were descended from any Indian tribe.

"The evidence shows the petitioner’s members and claimed ancestors were consistently identified as non-Indians living in non-Indian communities."

"none of the group’s members have demonstrated descent from a historical Indian tribe or tribes that combined."

Tapir it's science that states that a founding Native American Dna marker is Caucasian.

“In that case, as it has been proposed, haplogroup X was brought to America by the eastward migration of an ancestral white population, of which no trace has so far been found in the mtDNA gene pool of modern Siberian/eastern Asian population”
(The Presence of Mitochondrial Haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia
Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001)
“To date, haplogroup X has not been unambiguously identified in Asia, raising the possibility that some Native American founders were of Caucasian ancestry.”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar … 9707616292
“Overall, the sequence data and phylogenetic analysis suggest that the Native American and the European haplogroup X mtDNAs share a common maternal ancestor”
“The 14 Caucasian-European haplogroup X samples (designated “CE1”–“CE14”) included 2 Caucasians of European ancestry”
(MtDNA haplogroup X: An Ancient Link between Europe/Western Asia and North America
Michael D. Brown,1 Seyed H. Hosseini,1 Antonio Torroni,2 Hans-Ju¨rgenBandelt,3 Jon C. Allen,1 Theodore G. Schurr,1 Rosaria Scozzari,2 Fulvio Cruciani,2 and Douglas C. Wallace1)
“Phylogenetic analysis and coalescence estimates for American Indian and European haplogroup X mtDNAs exclude the possibility that the occurrence of haplogroup X in American Indians is due to recent European admixture.”
(The Presence of Mitochondrial haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia
Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001)

“A recent survey of European mtDNA has demonstrated the presence of the same “other” haplotype motif in modern European populations, in which it is called “Haplogroup X.””
(MtDNA haplogroup X: An Ancient Link between Europe/Western Asia and North America?)
“To date, haplogroup X has not been unambiguously identified in Asia, raising the possibility that some Native American founders were of Caucasian ancestry.”
(MtDNA haplogroup X: An Ancient Link between Europe/Western Asia and North America?)
Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian peoples with ties to the Middle East and Europe
(National Geographic “Great Surprise”—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins”)
On the basis of genetic analysis of some serum and red-cell protein polymorphisms, Szathmary and Reed and Szathmary et al. were able to reveal the presence of “Caucasian” alleles in the southeastern Ojibwa and to give an estimate of Caucasian admixture of -30%; however, more recent data on other autosomal locus polymorphisms indicate that the genetic admixture may be as great as 50%.
(mtDNA and Y Chromosome-Specific Polymorphisms in Modern Ojibwa: Implications about the Origin of Their Gene Pool)

also in the evidence provided you have not disproven any of the evidence.

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... mites.html

Playing chess with pigeons. ....

Not a single individual of that fake tribe you brought up could provide any evidence that they were descended from any American Indian tribes and your response is to blather on with your distortions of DNA. Why is it so hard for you to address the issue of that fake tribe? What is wrong with you? Anyone who thinks that the Book of Mormon can be supported by using fake tribes, known hoax artifacts and intentional distortions of science has to have a screw loose.

tapirrider wrote:Not a single individual of that fake tribe you brought up could provide any evidence that they were descended from any American Indians and your response is to blather on with your distortions of DNA. Why is it so hard for you to address the issue of that fake tribe? What is wrong with you? Anyone who thinks that the Book of Mormon can be supported by using fake tribes, known hoax artifacts and intentional distortions of science has to have a screw loose.

Tapir in the essay I never once mention that clans in the Cherokee nation claim to be Hebrew or Jewish descent. you are ignoring the essays stated artifacts, historical accounts and Words in the Cherokee lexicon being Greek origin.

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... mites.html

“In that case, as it has been proposed, haplogroup X was brought to America by the eastward migration of an ancestral white population, of which no trace has so far been found in the mtDNA gene pool of modern Siberian/eastern Asian population”
(The Presence of Mitochondrial Haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia
Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001)

My very first pass at verifying bomgeo's references found that the reference above is not a peer-reviewed article, but rather a Letter to the Editor, and the sentence quoted is simply a conclusion from a different 1998 article that is being reviewed.

In fact, the next sentence after the one quoted above noted that the conclusion in the quote is NOT reliable:

However, it should be stressed that mtDNA-variability studies of the populations living in this major geographic area were performed on a limited number of populations. Some regions remain poorly sampled, and more extensive sampling is required. Moreover, some key markers, including those defining the X-haplogroup sequences, have not been typed for many different populations. These limitations do not allow correct definition of the phylogenetic status of mtDNA lineages.

I didn't bother going further. This is becoming quite a habit of bomgeo, posting misleading, bogus references, even references that say the opposite of his claims.