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I have not posted in a while so here you go.

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ormon.html

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... guage.html

from the OP's first link, jo's vision of Zelph!

These bones were identified by Smith. He had vision as to who the bones belonged to.

“At about one foot deep we discovered the skeleton of a man, almost entire; and between two of his ribs we found an Indian arrow, which had evidently been the cause of his death. Subsequently the visions of the past being opened to my understanding by the Spirit of the Almighty, I discovered that the person whose skeleton was before us was a white Lamanite, a large, thickset man, and a man of God. His name was Zelph. He was a warrior and chieftain under the great prophet Onandagus, who was known from the Hill Cumorah, or eastern sea to the Rocky Mountains.”

jo had vision? or jo was lie?

The Book of Mormon does not need, and certainly does not want the kind of "help" that comes from continuing to perpetuate old frauds.

Brant Gardner
http://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/up ... e-true.pdf

Bomgeography's blog must be getting low on page visits.

One wonders how the Book of Mormon includes Native American influences when Joseph Smith lived in an area habited by Native Americans and used to make up stories about Native American ancestry to regale his family with.

Yeah, let's go with coincidence.

I have a question wrote:One wonders how the Book of Mormon includes Native American influences when Joseph Smith lived in an area habited by Native Americans and used to make up stories about Native American ancestry to regale his family with.

Yeah, let's go with coincidence.

I'm sure smith was an expert on Native American and Hopewell culture their languages DNA timelines etc

bomgeography wrote:

I have a question wrote:One wonders how the Book of Mormon includes Native American influences when Joseph Smith lived in an area habited by Native Americans and used to make up stories about Native American ancestry to regale his family with.

Yeah, let's go with coincidence.

I'm sure smith was an expert on Native American and Hopewell culture their languages DNA timelines etc

IHaq didn't say that. Given that everything you've offered re the above topics has turned out to be bogus or meaningless, he wouldn't have to be to write his fiction.

bomgeography wrote:

I have a question wrote:One wonders how the Book of Mormon includes Native American influences when Joseph Smith lived in an area habited by Native Americans and used to make up stories about Native American ancestry to regale his family with.

Yeah, let's go with coincidence.

I'm sure smith was an expert on Native American and Hopewell culture their languages DNA timelines etc

Similarities in names doesn't mean much. We can look around the world and find all kind of similarities and falsely declare a connection. Your Hopewell culture and DNA have already been proven wrong but since you deal in so much pseudo science crap to prop up what you want to believe you cannot abandon it.

bomgeography wrote:

I have a question wrote:One wonders how the Book of Mormon includes Native American influences when Joseph Smith lived in an area habited by Native Americans and used to make up stories about Native American ancestry to regale his family with.

Yeah, let's go with coincidence.

I'm sure smith was an expert on Native American and Hopewell culture their languages DNA timelines etc

I understand why you post here.
It's the only place where people will respond to you.
I'm willing to wager that, whenever your hand shoots up during a Gospel Doctrine lesson, a sizeable proportion of the rest of the class sits there rolling their eyes.

Your stuff is nonsense. It's badly thought through (if thought through at all), unsubstantiated or blatantly disproven already, and you have no demonstrated ability for either rationale thinking or constructive dialogue. I'm sure this stuff keeps your shelf up, but let's not pretend that anybody, anywhere, takes you seriously.

For instance:

Onidah

The Book of Mormon in Alma 47:5 states that disaffected Lamanites gathered at a hill called Onidah
There is Native American Tribe in New York called Onieda phonetically exactly the same as Onidah

The Book of Mormon has a character called Moroni.

Moroni (in Arabic موروني Mūrūnī) is the largest city, federal capital and seat of the government of the Union of the Comoros, a sovereign archipelago nation in the Indian Ocean.

Therefore the Book of Mormon took place in the Indian Ocean.

I like this game.

bomgeography wrote:

I have a question wrote:One wonders how the Book of Mormon includes Native American influences when Joseph Smith lived in an area habited by Native Americans and used to make up stories about Native American ancestry to regale his family with.

Yeah, let's go with coincidence.

I'm sure smith was an expert on Native American and Hopewell culture their languages DNA timelines etc

The one thing for sure and for certain is that David McKane knows nothing about living American Indians and he presented me with a link to a group of whites who only pretend to be Indians.

Meanwhile, reality continues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FEzXHSR8dk

Yes, the Meldrum crowd is crawling after some of the worst hucksters in current pseudoarchaeology.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/mormo ... nspiracies

Jason Colavito:

But let’s take a moment to pause and consider this: Mormons are embracing America Unearthed as evidence that the Book of Mormon is real! How they will square this with Scott Wolter’s claims that Jesus was the reigning King of Judea and that he founded a dynasty protected by the Templars I cannot fathom. But I guess in the a la carte world of fringe history, you don’t have to deal with it, you just need to take the parts you agree with.

But here’s the kicker: Mormons now have their own knockoff America Unearthed called Nephite Explorer that launched in 2013 and features freelance Mormon journalist Ryan Fisher digging through American history to look for “evidence” that Mormon accounts of prehistory are true. It currently airs only on independent Salt Lake City TV station KJZZ, so I have never seen the show, which was featured alongside America Unearthed at the conference.

Like its H2 cable counterpart, Nephite Explorer has a conspiracy theory undergirding its claims, one directly related to the United States. Scott Wolter imagines America as the culmination of a Freemason-Templar-goddess worship cult’s plans to create the most powerful country ever, and the Mormons assert that a conspiracy run by God helped to establish America as God’s promised land, converting America’s leaders like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln to the belief that America was the new Israel and the fulfillment of prophecy. They even use the same evidence Templar-Freemason conspiracy theorists use, down to Washington’s first inaugural address and its references to the Promised Land.

Also like Scott Wolter, Nephite Explorer finds the collapse of Cahokia to be essential to understanding how Old World peoples are tied to American history. But while Wolter sees Cahokia as abandoned on Templar orders, Nephite Explorer asserts that it fell to the wars between the red-skinned and white-skinned peoples at the end of the Lost Tribes’ reign.

Here’s a fun fact: Nephite Explorer has a close relationship with Mormon diffusionist Wayne May. Wayne May is the owner of Ancient American magazine, which published Scott Wolter’s first reports “verifying” the Bat Creek Stone several years ago. Additionally, according to statements made by former Ancient American editor Frank Joseph, he, Wayne May, and Scott Wolter know one another better than Wolter sometimes pretends. Wolter often claims ignorance of the contents of Ancient American magazine, in which he publishes articles, and he has pointedly avoided discussing Frank Joseph, who has a controversial history with Neo-Nazis and child sex abuse but is nevertheless the originator of many claims Wolter investigates, particularly those related to Burrows Cave. Yet Joseph says that the three men drove home together from a 2011 Michigan conference on ancient American mysteries and had a great time discussing the presentations with one another. (May lives in Wisconsin and Wolter in Minnesota.) Obviously, this doesn’t prove anything but carpooling, but it goes to show that Wolter and Mormon archaeology have had a mutually supportive relationship for years despite their obvious differences.