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On another thread you wrote in confirming you are the sometimesaint at MD&D.

I am, I'll defend my beliefs, and even those that don't believe as I do.

To be honest I have two motives for this question, one simply for the discussion of the question, and secondly...in 20 years or so on the boards, I can't ever remember being able to discuss a topic like this without strict moderation and having to watch what I write for risk of being banned, or the TBM being banned if on a Evangelical site.

Here is my question:

According to LDS theology and thought, eligible men through obedience and by duty and merit hinged on eternal laws...can become Gods and have the same Power, Knowledge, Glory , and Dominion of HF, and will be able by default create their own worlds for their spirit Children to live on.

How do you feel about this teaching? Do you believe you will have the same Power and Knowledge as HF?

Thanks
MG

Yes, I do believe in Theosis.
SEE http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_theosis.shtml

CCC,

Do you believe our HF went through the same process to get where he is now?

Thanks

It makes logical sense. But our only earthly example is Yeshua Bar Yosef. Whether you believe he was also Yeshua Bar El is a matter of religion.

The CCC wrote:Yes, I do believe in Theosis.
SEE http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_theosis.shtml

Can you discuss this and tell me why you believe this,in your own words and own citations from the Bible and LDS scripture...and how they compliment each other.

The Bible, and Hebrew tradition does not in anyway allow for man to have the same power, knowledge, glory and dominion of God, nor does it teach that men will create worlds for their spirit children to live on.

IF you even hinted at this in Biblical times it meant a rock party...literally.

You have a opportunity to speak without moderation and use your own understanding about LDS theology. I was born and raised in the church and was taught these things with FARMS, FAIR and JL...I guess what I asking is, we al know who you are in regards to thesometimesaint, and the old days of FAIR Forums, so we have a great opportunity to be real with each other without moderators that dictate the discourse. So not general cut and pastes, no generalities, but a deep, at least as deep as we can get on a forum, about LDS core thought.

by the way, after the holiday I would like to have lunch with you, I'll buy. I just wonder if we know each other, I bet you know many folks I grew up with in the church or their folks...and maybe a relative or two. Kenny Brown, Jimmy Ferguson, Jackie Moser, Les Antinucci, Joe Faye?

I do not know of any moderator limitation on this subject. Zlmb continued discussions of the subject for some time which started on Utlm. David Waltz and Rory with LDS believers such as Mr Peterson discussed at length the similarities of Catholic fathers and LDS thought on the matter. Mr Waltz was thinking of becoming either LDS or Roman Catholic. After a few years he chose Catholic and the discussion wound down.

I am mentioning this as there is a variety of understandings on both sides of the comparison and enough unknowns to continue speculative comparisons a long time.

My own beliefs are close to and definately influenced by Irenaeus. One could see similarities to his understanding in Mormon, Protestant and Roman Catholic views.

huckelberry wrote:I do not know of any moderator limitation on this subject. Zlmb continued discussions of the subject for some time which started on Utlm. David Waltz and Rory with LDS believers such as Mr Peterson discussed at length the similarities of Catholic fathers and LDS thought on the matter. Mr Waltz was thinking of becoming either LDS or Roman Catholic. After a few years he chose Catholic and the discussion wound down.

I am mentioning this as there is a variety of understandings on both sides of the comparison and enough unknowns to continue speculative comparisons a long time.

My own beliefs are close to and definitely influenced by Irenaeus. One could see similarities to his understanding in Mormon, Protestant and Roman Catholic views.

The moderation comes when one calls them out, as I am with you..explain how Irenaeus, one, is any where close to LDS theology...i.e. Obedience to eternal laws, eternal progression, spiritual births from intelligence, and secondly how, Irenaeus complements the Bible. We need also review what the word god means in regards to the Bible and LDS theology...apples and oranges.

There are no similarities at all with the Protestant and Catholic views, in regards to LDS theology...none. Nor the standard C.S. Lewis talking point. LDS views are heresy to both Catholic and Protestant theology.

If I responded like this at FAIR, I would get the backwards adios. I was banned for far less and all the years I was there had to be very careful what I said and too whom, and now days it is even worse...ask my sock puppet there.

Thanks
MG

Markk,
" LDS views are heresy to both Catholic and Protestant theology."

I think that is true.

For Mormons I am pretty sure the whole generational picture of the divine family is understood as a new revelation peculiar to Mormons. They look back at a few suggestions in the Bible and in early Patristic books and see those as hints in the direction of LDS views not as an actual foundation of those ideas. There are a number of Mormon particulars simply not to be found there.

huckelberry wrote:Markk,
" LDS views are heresy to both Catholic and Protestant theology."

I think that is true.

For Mormons I am pretty sure the whole generational picture of the divine family is understood as a new revelation peculiar to Mormons. They look back at a few suggestions in the Bible and in early Patristic books and see those as hints in the direction of LDS views not as an actual foundation of those ideas. There are a number of Mormon particulars simply not to be found there.

What about the rest of your assertion? Have you read Irenaeus, or are you just throwing out the LDS talking point. There is no way Irenaeus was even close to LDS theology in thought.

Markk, I have no interest in LDS talking points. The last time I sat through an LDS church service was in 1967. Yes I have read Irenaeus.