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Interesting article by Dustin Phelps
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:17 pm
by _mocnarf
I found this to be a rather interesting article.
http://federalistpress.com/the-alarming-truth-behind-anti-mormonism.phpI agree with the author that the Christian theology was instrumental in creating the society we have today which is the most just and moral of any society in the history of the world. Had Islam been the dominant theology in the US at the time of its creation we would have a very different society.
I think many Christians turned atheist, hate Christian morals that they would turn societal morals over to Islam, the worlds "Peace loving theology" (as Obama might say).
As an exmo, I believe our society which I believe is the most just and moral of any societies that have ever existed (not that it doesn't have faults). Without Christian principles, the world would be a very different place.
So, what happens when Christianity is reject by a majority of the population? Where will moral principles come from? Many politicians are pushing Islam down our throats. I have a fear that they might be successful. With the Trump elected this trend may be slowed. I hope so, because if it is not I see civil war.
But I digress, what do you think of Dustin's article?
Re: Interesting article by Dustin Phelps
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:25 pm
by _Maksutov
I got half way through it and stopped...there were too many atheist strawmen to get past. Atheists try to destroy all social hierarchies, etc, etc. Please.
You can find atheists and agnostics in every society with various economic philosophies and moral codes. Religionists claim to higher moral codes and prove otherwise. The prisons are full of professed believers. The crooks in Congress bow their heads for the invocation. The creepy scammers that target the old and confused with LDS-affiliated scams pop up daily.
Interesting? No.
by the way, I understand that Ian McKellen is an atheist.
Re: Interesting article by Dustin Phelps
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:44 pm
by _mocnarf
Maksutov wrote:I got half way through it and stopped...there were too many atheist strawmen to get past.
by the way, I understand that Ian McKellen is an atheist.
So where do you see the morals of society heading? Who's theology will dominate in 20 years? (I consider atheism a theology). In Europe, I see Islam becoming the dominant theology. In the US, I see civil war over theology - Islamist against non-Islamist. I would prefer a atheistic society to any Islamic society and I can co-exist with a Christian society. But I would have to fight to the death against an Islamic society. My problem with atheism is that I am uncertain if atheism has any core morals. If it does can you tell me what they are?
Re: Interesting article by Dustin Phelps
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:52 pm
by _bomgeography
The article is spot on. Christianity provides the moral compass to our society. The more Christianity falls to the wayside so will morals.
In LDS terms this was all prophecied from the beginning until Christ returns triumphant redeems those that chose to follow him are resurrected and all the people who rejected him are damned.
Re: Interesting article by Dustin Phelps
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:38 pm
by _Dr. Shades
mocnarf wrote:(I consider atheism a theology).
Then you also consider infertility a parenthood.
My problem with atheism is that I am uncertain if atheism has any core morals. If it does can you tell me what they are?
Yes. Harm no one.
Re: Interesting article by Dustin Phelps
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:08 pm
by _I have a question
bomgeography wrote:The article is spot on. Christianity provides the moral compass to our society. The more Christianity falls to the wayside so will morals.
It is said over and over again by religious conservatives: without faith in God, society will fall apart. If we don't worship God, pray to God, and place God at the central heart of our culture, things will get ugly.
In his classic Reflections on the French Revolution, Edmund Burke argued that religion was the underlying basis of civil social order. Voltaire, the celebrated Enlightenment philosopher, argued that without theism society could not function; it is necessary for people to have “profoundly engraved on their minds the idea of a Supreme being and creator” in order to maintain a moral social order. Alexis de Tocqueville similarly argued that religious faith is “indispensable” for a well-functioning society, that irreligion is a “dangerous” and “pernicious” threat to societal well-being, and that non-believers are to be regarded as “natural enemies” of social harmony.
More recently, Newt Gingrich has argued that any country that attempts to “drive God out of public life” will surely face all kinds of social problems, and a secular country would be “frankly, a nightmare.” Indeed, in the aftermath of the wanton massacre of schoolchildren in Newton, Connecticut, Newt Gingrich publicly proclaimed that such violence was the obvious and inevitable result of secularism in our society. Mike Huckabee agreed.
Religion – or so the age-old hypothesis goes – is therefor a necessary glue for keeping society together. And conversely, secularism is a danger to societal well-being. For if people turn away from God and stop being religious, then crime will go up, corruption will increase, perversion will percolate, decency will diminish, and all manifestations of misery and malfeasance will predominate.
It is an interesting hypothesis. Perpetually-touted. And wrong.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-secular-life/201410/secular-societies-fare-better-religious-societies
Re: Interesting article by Dustin Phelps
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:28 pm
by _Maksutov
mocnarf wrote:Maksutov wrote:I got half way through it and stopped...there were too many atheist strawmen to get past.
by the way, I understand that Ian McKellen is an atheist.
So where do you see the morals of society heading? Who's theology will dominate in 20 years? (I consider atheism a theology). In Europe, I see Islam becoming the dominant theology. In the US, I see civil war over theology - Islamist against non-Islamist. I would prefer a atheistic society to any Islamic society and I can co-exist with a Christian society. But I would have to fight to the death against an Islamic society. My problem with atheism is that I am uncertain if atheism has any core morals. If it does can you tell me what they are?
If you can define atheism as a theology then I can call religion a business. Especially when you consider how the two are intermingled in America.
You're seeing things too simplistically, in my opinion.
May I recommend Franklin Graham as an avatar?
Re: Interesting article by Dustin Phelps
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:46 am
by _Philo Sofee
mocnarf wrote:
(I consider atheism a theology).
Shades
Then you also consider infertility a parenthood.
Best response I have ever read!
Re: Interesting article by Dustin Phelps
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:50 am
by _Choyo Chagas
Dr. Shades wrote:mocnarf wrote:(I consider atheism a theology).
Then you also consider infertility a parenthood.
yes
and sterility is hereditary: if one's parents didn't have children, neither will he/she
Re: Interesting article by Dustin Phelps
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:40 am
by _bomgeography
Atheism MIGHT say do no harm. But the definition of HARM is relative to each atheist.
What one atheist may say is harming society or another person, maybe to another atheist could be their own lifestyle and sees nothing wrong with it.
The use of marijuana cocaine etc is just one example.
Atheism has no moral foundation for what is right or wrong moral or immoral.
Atheist view of right and wrong is on personal preference nothing else.
Atheism is a belief no different then believing in a god. They cannot prove god does not exist no more than Theist are able to prove God is the creator of this world.