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The Barren Bering Ice bridge Theory lacks genetic evidence for some Haplo groups, ever stepped foot in Siberia. Making a migration of hundreds to thousands of years impossible.

But what I would like to hear from tapir and Maksutov and anybody else is if you would explain why people in temperate climates would migrate to the arctic Siberia.

This is the type of wilderness that they would have to live in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chukotka_ ... ukotka.JPG

Scientists have very sound reasons for the Beringia migration. This article gives a decent summary with links to journal sources.

I don't get why you ask about people from temperate climates migrating to the arctic. It isn't like one family or living generation left their nice warm place and ended up freezing in a strange new home. The actual events involved generations of smaller movements, remaining in areas for the food supplies and other resources. It is a fact that humans left Africa and have spread all over the earth. Our species is very adaptable to all climates. But humans aren't the only animals that do this. For an example of one creature that does in fact leave their nice warm climate and go to the arctic and return again, all in one year, just look at the sandhill crane. Last year I saw an estimated 300,000 in Kearney Nebraska. They left their winter grounds in Mexico and New Mexico and headed to the North Platte in their holdover before proceeding on. From there, some go to Siberia, others to Alaska many more to other arctic regions. They do this because of the rich food supplies that the short summers provide, returning south when the season ends, and repeat this each year. Those birds have been doing this since the end of the ice age.

The article I linked explains what Paleoindians did. They stayed put in Beringia for multiple generations and crossed in to America when the climate opened up a path for them. The ancient cultural behavior of northern plains Indians is patterned around the seasonal changes. Migrations were not just to follow the bison. Many plants unique to certain regions were gathered and dried during the spring through fall movements, and the meat and plants were taken to winter camps to sustain life through the brutal Dakota winters.

Dave, I have been telling you that you don't know American Indians, you don't understand them. I have told you to just leave them alone. But if you really want to understand the answers to your questions, you will need to discard your Book of Mormon bias and really study. The Beringia migration is valid, whether you think so or not.

tapirrider wrote:It is a fact that humans left Africa and have spread all over the earth.

This cannot be a fact. The human race was wiped out by a global flood around 4,500 years ago. The only survivors were 8 people who (apparently) were the only people on the planet that had a boat when the flood came. All other boat owners were wiped out. These 8 people landed in the Middle East when the flood subsided and it is from those 8 people that humanity as we know it has developed and propagated the earth. Apparently.

tapirrider wrote:It is a fact that humans left Africa and have spread all over the earth.

I have a question wrote:This cannot be a fact. The human race was wiped out by a global flood around 4,500 years ago. The only survivors were 8 people who (apparently) were the only people on the planet that had a boat when the flood came. All other boat owners were wiped out. These 8 people landed in the Middle East when the flood subsided and it is from those 8 people that humanity as we know it has developed and propagated the earth. Apparently.

In my apostasy I overlooked that spiritual truth. I must be too influenced by those evil scientists who are involved in conspiracies to hide evidence from us.

DNA evidence does not support the barren ice bridge theory.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 180955976/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)#/media/File:Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA).PNG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_h ... p_R_(Y-DNA).PNG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_h ... roup_O.png

The age of haplogroup A in Siberia is considerably younger than that in
the Americas (averaging only 12,727 to 9,655 years old).

A number of mtDNAs found in Native Americans do not fall into the
haplogroups A-to-D. These were originally designated as "other" (OTHER)
haplotypes, and the majority were attributed to non-native admixture
because of their apparent affinities to European mtDNAs.

haplogroup B is absent in the vast
majority of native Siberian populations,

Bomgeography, what is your best guess as to how the groups of people, that the LDS Church concedes were not from the Lehi Voyage of Discovery, got to the American Continents some 14,000 to 20,000 years ago?

bomgeography wrote:The Barren Bering Ice bridge Theory lacks genetic evidence for some Haplo groups, ever stepped foot in Siberia. Making a migration of hundreds to thousands of years impossible.

But what I would like to hear from tapir and Maksutov and anybody else is if you would explain why people in temperate climates would migrate to the arctic Siberia.

This is the type of wilderness that they would have to live in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chukotka_ ... ukotka.JPG

We know where the Bering Bridge is. I'll play after you show me something about your theories from a professional. You still haven't but instead want us to forget that and start something else.

Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.

How did kangaroos and platypus get all the way from Mt. Ararat to Australia in 2500 BC without leaving a migratory trace?

bomgeography wrote:DNA evidence does not support the barren ice bridge theory.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 180955976/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)#/media/File:Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA).PNG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_h ... p_R_(Y-DNA).PNG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_h ... roup_O.png

The age of haplogroup A in Siberia is considerably younger than that in
the Americas (averaging only 12,727 to 9,655 years old).

A number of mtDNAs found in Native Americans do not fall into the
haplogroups A-to-D. These were originally designated as "other" (OTHER)
haplotypes, and the majority were attributed to non-native admixture
because of their apparent affinities to European mtDNAs.

haplogroup B is absent in the vast
majority of native Siberian populations,

This is one of the sources from the article I gave you the link to. Genetic evidence does in fact support the Beringia migration, along with a standstill at Beringia.

Dave, your ideas are not in agreement with scientists. The issues you bring up have been addressed and the consensus among the professionals today has been reached with sound evidence. Nobody can force you to accept the data, evidence and conclusions. You can disagree all you want but your rebuttals are too weak to be believed.

There was a time when I wanted evidence for the Book of Mormon. I researched what other LDS members were saying and for brief moments I was excited that there were other people giving explanations that differed from the mainstream consensus of scholars. But the deeper I dug into it, I realized that the claims by pseudoarchaeology and alternate histories were not real. You might never get to that point that I reached, I don't know. It is apparent to me that you cherry pick what you want and ignore the overwhelming credible research and evidence that shows how you are wrong. I just couldn't keep doing that to myself back when I first started looking for Book of Mormon claims.

At this point David's just trying to convince himself. No one else here is buying it. He's like Bharat or Nightlion, talking to hear himself rather than the disturbing silence. He can only find marks on the LDSFreedomForum, where the hollow earth and the white horse prophecy are accepted instead of the Big Bang.