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bomgeography wrote:Tapir Donald Yates name is not used in the article and it states scientists in plural. Sounds to me there are multiple DNA scientist looking into Middle East Cherokee DNA.

Tapir Donald Yates name is not used in the article and it states scientists in plural. Sounds to me there are multiple DNA scientist looking into Middle East Cherokee DNA.

bomgeography wrote:Here is an interesting article in natives today website.

http://natives-today.com/2017/01/20/dna ... le-east-2/

At present, the researchers at DNA Consultants seem unaware that throughout the 1600s Iberian Sephardic Jews and Moorish Conversos colonized the North Carolina and Georgia Mountains....

Tracing tribal heritage through DNA questioned
By TEDDYE SNELL, Staff Writer, Jan 20, 2011
Tahlequah Daily Press

Donald Yates, principal investigator for DNA Consultants in Phoenix, believes through the appropriate DNA testing, Cherokee descendants can be linked to a large number of Middle Eastern lineages.

On its website, cherokee.dnaconsultants.com, the company states it has been studying Cherokee DNA for 10 years and believes that with the results of the Central Band of the Cherokee in Lawrence County, Tenn., they have the largest sample collection in the world.

According to Cherokee Nation tribal law, to be considered a Cherokee citizen, proof of enrollment on the Dawes Rolls is required to obtain a CDIB card. The Central Band of the Cherokee in Tennessee is not a federally recognized tribe, but is a 501(c)4 nonprofit educational organization.
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“Ever since the trader James Adair put forth the notion in the mid-1700s that Cherokees were the Lost Tribes of Israel, there have been efforts on the part of some to make that link,” said Coates [an assistant professor of Native American studies at the University of California at Davis]. “This attempt has been made with many other tribes, as well. The site appears to be trying to do the same thing. The majority of Cherokees and scholars dismiss this idea, however.”

What Coates finds most troublesome about the [cherokee.dnaconsultants.com] website is that it is maintained by the Central Band of Cherokees.

“This is one of six ‘wannabe’ groups that have been seeking Tennessee state recognition, which the Cherokee Nation has been aggressively opposing, both legislatively and in the courts,” said Coates.

“Unable to demonstrate that they have any legitimate political or historic basis to be regarded as a ‘tribe,’ it may be that there are political motivations behind these attempts to demonstrate a Cherokee heritage through biological methods.”

http://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/news ... 92c5a.html

McKane wrote:The Central Cherokee band tribe is not in my research.
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Simon Southerton wrote: X2a has never been found outside of the Americas. It is very distantly related to X lineages from Asia, Europe and the Middle East. There is no connection with Israel. If you are reading stuff by Rodney Meldrum you are reading the words of a charlatan. He has no training in science. He's a salesman and a good one.
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Simon Southerton wrote:DNA scientists tend to be particularly dogmatic in their claims and this is especially true when it comes to tracing ancestry. Anthropology and archaeology are very subjective sciences. Evidence can be interpreted in many ways. But DNA evidence leaves little room for interpretation. That's largely because its built on mathematics. At the heart of any DNA research examining relatedness between people or any other organism for that matter, is mathematics. If you simply count up the number of DNA differences between any two organisms, you can obtain an objective measure of relatedness. More closely related organisms have fewer DNA differences in their genomes. The same is true of people. All major human populations have been DNA tested and there are fewer DNA differences between the DNA of Native Americans and Siberians than any other population. Those facts will not change and they are on par with the sorts of DNA facts used to lock people up for life.
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Simon Southerton wrote:I just wanted to give an update on the hunt for Israelite DNA in Native Americans. The PR department (DNA essay writers) would like the members to believe this is a fruitless exercise because we don't know what Lehi's DNA looks like. And after all that pesky DNA science is pretty tentative and changing all the time. Unfortunately for the church, the already conclusive results of the late 90s have been re-confirmed over and over again during the last decade.

Can there be any doubt about the ancestry of Book of Mormon people? Lehi was a Hebrew and he lived in Jerusalem. The Lehites, Mulekites and Jaredites clearly came from the biblical lands of the Middle East so their descendants would have been related to contemporary Middle Easterners whose DNA is well characterized.

The table below summarises the current state of mitochondrial DNA research on Native Americans. Approaching 200 tribal groups have been tested and they are all unrelated to Middle Eastern populations. Their DNA is most closely related to people descended from Siberian ancestors who lived near Lake Baikal 25,000 years ago. Even in Mesoamerica, the most likely Book of Mormon lands according to Daniel Peterson and his cronies, there is nary a trace of Middle Eastern DNA.



The Church’s DNA essay is pure PR spin. It admits the links to Asia, but it says they are tentative. That is rubbish.

This is the new apologetic line that people must swallow. When Lehi and his family arrived in the Promised Land they found it was widely inhabited by Native Americans. But since they were not God’s chosen people they didn’t deserve a mention in the record. In order to populate the large Book of Mormon civilizations, the descendants of Lehi intermarried with and then quickly ruled the native populations they encountered. As a consequence of this story, we can assume that Lehi’s DNA was diluted away to the point where it may never be detected. Voila!!! The Book of Mormon story now fits with the facts!!!

Lets look at what has happened here. The church says the science is tentative, meaning it could change at any moment. But what has changed? The way Mormons interpret the historicity of the Book of Mormon. Science has known the Asian ancestry of Native Americans for over 100 years. The essay illustrates beautifully that it is Mormon doctrines (alternative facts) that are tentative and changeable.

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bomgeography wrote:"Lamanites lived in the wilderness, and dwelt in tents; and they were spread through the wilderness on the west, in the land of Nephi; "

It could not be more obvious that this part of the verse refers to the plains Indians who's primary living structure was tepees.

They are also west of the Hopwell/Nephite populations.