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"ghost" is an umbrella term
it includes
- ghosts of ancestors (of parents, of grandparents)
- "living" (walking, talking) mummies and zombies
- ghosts of long dead people (jeanne d'arc, djengis khan, joseph smith)
- ghosts of never-existed people (Jesus Christ, virgin mary)
- the holy one --- is it include? (he? she?)

disclaimer: please, mods, if this is off topic (for more, see "life after death" and "antediluvian patriarchs" threads...) then move it to offtopic, not to outer darkness...


A Physicist Just Explained Why the Large Hadron Collider Disproves the Existence of Ghosts

Recent polls have found that 42 percent of Americans and 52 percent of people in the UK believe in ghosts - a huge percentage when you consider that no one has ever come up with irrefutable proof that they even exist.

But we might have had proof that they don't exist all along, because as British theoretical physicist Brian Cox recently pointed out, there's no room in the Standard Model of Physics for a substance or medium that can carry on our information after death, and yet go undetected in the Large Hadron Collider.
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"I would say if there's some kind of substance that's driving our bodies, making my arms move and legs move, then it must interact with the particles out of which our bodies are made," says Cox.

"And seeing as we've made high precision measurements of the ways that particles interact, then my assertion is that there can be no such thing as an energy source that's driving our bodies."
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read http://www.sciencealert.com/a-physicist ... -of-ghosts for more

if you can not read more than a street sign, listen it on http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b085tq49 ...

Scientist can theorize what matter makes up a ghost or after life consciousness but the below studies show life exist after death. And that the theories being presented in your article are theories that do not understand what matter or energy ghost or afterlife life consciousness are made of. An example is dark matter science has no clue what dark matter.

"Dark matter is an unidentified type of matter distinct from dark energy, baryonic matter (ordinary matter), and neutrinos whose existence would explain a number of otherwise puzzling astronomical observations."

"In physical cosmology and astronomy, dark energy is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space..."

"Berlin | A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after death. "

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/6 ... king-study

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german ... ter-death/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/7 ... tinue-SOUL

The problem you guys have is you think that science can explain everything accept for the purpose of life and what happens after we die.

2 Nephi 4:34

34 O Lord, I have trusted in thee, and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my trust in the arm of flesh; for I know that cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm.

Those who find out after death that what they believed after death was incorrect will be sorely disappointed.

I'm not worried about life after death because if I'm wrong nothing happens. On the other hand atheist should worry.

bomgeography wrote:I'm not worried about life after death because if I'm wrong nothing happens. On the other hand atheist should worry.

You have not been honest in life, you have promoted a supremacist doctrine, you have made racist claims about American Indians, you are in disagreement with your church, you have made personal attacks on me. you have fabricated lies about me, etc. Apparently you are so convinced that you will be elevated in the next life that you have no problem demonstrating inappropriate behavior in this life. It almost seems that you believe you can do whatever you want in life because nothing happens after death. How do you know that nothing happens if you are wrong?

bomgeography wrote:Scientist can theorize what matter makes up a ghost or after life consciousness but the below studies show life exist after death. And that the theories being presented in your article are theories that do not understand what matter or energy ghost or afterlife life consciousness are made of. An example is dark matter science has no clue what dark matter.

"Dark matter is an unidentified type of matter distinct from dark energy, baryonic matter (ordinary matter), and neutrinos whose existence would explain a number of otherwise puzzling astronomical observations."

"In physical cosmology and astronomy, dark energy is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space..."

"Berlin | A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after death. "

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/6 ... king-study

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german ... ter-death/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/7 ... tinue-SOUL

bomgeo,

Here you go again. You simply copy and paste text on subjects about which you have little or no understanding in a lazy attempt to support your silly claims.

In fact, we know a lot about Dark Matter. We know approximately when it was formed in the evolution of the universe. We know that it is not evenly distributed in space and have a very good idea of where it is concentrated and where it is not. We know that it interacts gravitationally with ordinary matter and can identify where it is concentrated in the universe through this interaction. The best models for dark matter are consistent with the attributes of weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPS).

Solar neutrinos, many billions of which pass through your body every second, are examples of such weakly interacting particles. WIMPS would be simply be more massive than neutrinos and interact far less (if at all, aside from gravitationally) with ordinary matter.

As to the question of dark energy being related to ghosts or spirits, the answer is simple: nope.

In the first place, so called ghosts and spirits do not exist outside the mind.

And even if they did, dark energy would be a very poor choice for a material from which to make such ghosts. Dark energy is highly dispersed and greatly"diluted" in space. Getting enough of it this dark energy (very likely a component of vacuum energy) or any other kind of energy together in one place for sufficient time to form a ghost or entity that could exhibit intelligence, convey information or interact with ordinary matter is (as was stated by Brian Cox as cited in the OP) a thermodynamic impossibility.

Finally, the references you cited here are the same click bait you cited over on the life after death thread where your naïve interpretation of them was more than adequately discredited.

If ghosts or spirits or souls or whatever are material in any sense, then whatever they are, they cannot be dark matter—whatever it is. Dark matter is stuff that doesn't interact with the matter we know, except gravitationally. That's why it's "dark"—it doesn't shine or reflect, because it doesn't interact with light.

But ghosts are supposed to be visible, at least sometimes. Spirits are supposed to be visible or audible. Souls are supposed to be able to control human bodies, which means interacting in some way with the ordinary matter of which our bodies are made.

The way high energy particle collisions work is that stuff smashes together with a lot of energy and the particles which collide simply disappear in a blast. What comes out of the blast is a random collection of anything which interacts in any way, even indirectly, with the original colliding particles. Every collision produces a new random handful of goodies, subject only to the constraints that the total energy, momentum, electric charge, and a few other quantities are conserved. If you look at enough collisions, sooner or later you're bound to see everything that could interact at all with the original colliding particles.

So if your theory of ghosts or spirits or souls is that they are made of some exotic kind of stuff that isn't like the matter from which rocks and trees and human bodies are made, but which interacts enough with that ordinary matter to be able to affect it, then I think Cox is right, that your theory has been ruled out by experiments. Because we haven't seen any such exotic new kinds of stuff—and if it were there, we would have seen it by now.

It's a twist on the "god of the gaps" argument, but angled more from pseudoscience than from religion. Look at the industry of woo generated by misuse of everything "quantum". Deepak Chopra alone has harvested millions from this fraud. Scientifically illiterate people are prone to gullibility over conspiracy theories that depict scientists and other authorities as ignorant, corrupt or fanatical as a way of dismissing or avoiding the implausibility of their own cherished beliefs--beliefs that elevate them personally. It serves deep emotional needs and that's why it manifests in such compulsive and persistent ways.

Im not saying ghost or spirits are made up of dark matter or energy what I'm saying is that scientist don't know what makes up a Ghost or spirit just like they don't know what dark matter or dark energy is.