More Nephite/Hopewell Links

[_bomgeography]

For those who have not seen these Hopewell Nephite ties see Nephite/Hopewell breastplates, cloth, and iron axes tools,

Tapir will declare the Hopewell archeologist confirmed artifacts to be fake even though their confirmed by modern archeology

And racism will undoubtedly be brought up.

CLoth

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ttons.html

Breastplates

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... tools.html

Hopewell Meteoric Iron tools

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... tools.html

[_Maksutov]

For those who have not seen these Hopewell Nephite ties see Nephite/Hopewell breastplates, cloth, and iron axes tools,

Tapir will declare the Hopewell archeologist confirmed artifacts to be fake even though their confirmed by modern archeology

And racism will undoubtedly be brought up.

CLoth

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ttons.html

Breastplates

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... tools.html

Hopewell Meteoric Iron tools

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... tools.html

So you'll admit that you're promoting fakes and espousing racism, again?

[_honorentheos]

The kind of evidence that modern Mormon apologists like to cite as supporting their claims tends to be of a kind with the discovered evidence the peoples of Joseph's time looked to and imagined a civilization of lost Hebrews who walked those same lands. The misconceptions that they had about this evidence got baked into the Book of Mormon story, so we end up with claims that aren't supported by the actual archeological record. Pseudoscientific apologetics likes to take discoveries of, say, meteoric ore pounded into iron implements and pretend the Book of Mormon wasn't claiming smelting operations and the creation of steel. It ignores the claim the Nephites had a silver and gold based monetary system, the types of food described, the manner and custom of living...the modern day apologist is simply perpetuating arm chair theories that don't hold up to the state of the science.

But we won't convince anyone of that so, I guess carry on Book of Mormon. Carry on.

[_tapirrider]

For those who have not seen these Hopewell Nephite ties see Nephite/Hopewell breastplates, cloth, and iron axes tools,

Tapir will declare the Hopewell archeologist confirmed artifacts to be fake even though their confirmed by modern archeology

And racism will undoubtedly be brought up.

CLoth

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ttons.html

Breastplates

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... tools.html

Hopewell Meteoric Iron tools

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... tools.html

I have clearly stated to you many times that you misrepresent authentic artifacts. And I have also strongly pointed out the times that you use known hoax artifacts. Your dishonesty in presenting authentic items and taunting me that I will declare them fake is uncalled for.

As for the fabric, I have addressed this one to you before. Woven cloth has been found in North America that dates well before the Nephites, even before the Jaradites. It is not something unique to the Hopewell, nor does the radiocarbon dating of other confirmed finds fit in with the Book of Mormon timeline. All you have done is presented one example of it and tried to declare that is evidence. It does not work that way. All evidence must be considered and when it is, your claim evaporates. That is what happens when you cherry pick and ignore the truth.

Concerning the meteoric iron, that does not provide evidence for the Book of Mormon either. No evidence of hardened steel or smelting process have been confirmed in North America dating before the arrival of Europeans. The use of copper dates like the woven cloth, before even the Jaradites.

Breastplates are not evidence either. They were known about and in James Adair's writings before Joseph Smith.

None of what you have presented here is any evidence to support migrations from the Near East to North America in Biblical timelines. American Indians were perfectly capable of doing these things on their own, isolated from the rest of the world and with no knowledge of or contact with anyone from anywhere else outside of the Western hemisphere. To use these items as some kind of evidence that people from the Near East came and did it simply robs the real accomplishments of real people. And yes, those kind of claims made by you are racist.

You need to stop taunting me with ridiculous allegations of what I might say. Deal with facts, truth and reality and stop promoting racist ideas.

[_bomgeography]

HopewellSmelting

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... lting.html

[_bomgeography]

The Hopewell disappearance matches the same time the Nephites were wiped out the Hopewell have middle east dna also. This all stuff that Joseph Smith could not have known.

[_tapirrider]

HopewellSmelting

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... lting.html

Directly from the link you gave "Archeologist have not confirmed smelting by Hopewell Indians they have only speculated."

The Hopewell disappearance matches the same time the Nephites were wiped out the Hopewell have middle east dna also. This all stuff that Joseph Smith could not have known.

They didn't disappear as if they were Nephites wiped out. What don't you get about this? And we have been through your DNA claims to the point of exhaustion. Your claims do not hold up to even the slightest scrutiny.

https://ohioarchaeology.wordpress.com/2 ... h-america/
"When Shook and Smith compared the ancient mtDNA to the mtDNA of modern groups, they found that the people of the Hopewell Mound Group, as well as the Mississippian people from the Orendorf site, were most closely related to the Cheyenne/Arapaho and the Sisseton/Wahpeton Sioux."

This has been given to you more times than I can count, but here it is once again:

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizat ... l_messages

"Third, it is misleading and inappropriate to focus exclusively on haplogroup X and to ignore all other mtDNA lineages when considering the genetic origins of the Hopewell mound builders-especially since haplogroup X was found in only one of the seventy-three Hopewell individuals studied. As noted earlier, when all mtDNA haplogroups present in the Hopewell population (as well as other Native Americans) are considered, the genetic evidence clearly indicates an Asian origin. Furthermore, if there had been a pre-Columbian migration of Israelites to eastern North America, we would almost certainly see other common Middle Eastern lineages in the Hopewell and other Native American populations. We don't. None of the thirteen other mtDNA haplogroups found in the Galilee Druze is present in the Hopewell or other pre-Columbian Native Americans (see Figure 1). Nor do we see any of the common Druze or Middle Eastern Y-chromosome haplogroups in indigenous Americans. The genetic data therefore provide no evidence whatsoever for a migration of Israelites to eastern North America."

I simply do not buy into the claim of "Joseph could not have known". Too many more plausible explanations are possible without him having to know. I think you need to stop finding similarities and then making outrageous conclusions. That is what you do though, just like the lie you fabricated about my avatar.

[_Themis]

The Hopewell disappearance matches the same time the Nephites were wiped out the Hopewell have middle east dna also. This all stuff that Joseph Smith could not have known.

Still being dishonest about the DNA I see.

[_bomgeography]

The hopewell have haplo group x it's from the Middle East. There is no evidence that haplo group x traveled from the Middle East to the sub arctic waste land then to the eastern parts of North America

This comments always brings up comments of racism from tapir. Some how it's racism that there is no evidence that the North American haplo group x is not in Siberia or east and Central Asia.

[_Themis]

The hopewell have haplo group x it's from the Middle East. There is no evidence that haplo group x traveled from the Middle East to the sub arctic waste land then to the eastern parts of North America

This comments always brings up comments of racism from tapir. Some how it's racism that there is no evidence that the North American haplo group x is not in Siberia or east and Central Asia.

Still ignoring the fact the DNA arrived well before Book of Mormon times. That is quite clear regardless of what route it may have taken. It therefore cannot be from a group in the middle east 3000 years ago. Continuing ignoring this fact though.