I am proud to declare to you today, brothers and sisters, that I am a descendant of Lehi, Nephi, and all the great Book of Mormon prophets. I am proud to be a child of the Book of Mormon people. I have found my true heritage; I have found my true identity. I am a son of God, a child of God, a child of the Book of Mormon, a child of Lehi, a rich heritage that extends all the way back to my Heavenly Father, through Moses, and Abraham, and other great prophets.
I am also proud to be a descendant of great Indian chiefs of our country. I am proud to be a descendant of Red Cloud, Sitting Bull, Chief Joseph, Chee Dodge, Chief Crazy Horse and all these great Indian chiefs that did so well as leaders of their people. I want you to know that these men were great. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are all in paradise; and I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them are converted, and maybe some of them are on the fourth missionary discussion. I am proud of my rich heritage.
To you my people, the Lamanite people, on Indian reservations and in the cities of our country and through the islands of the sea, I want you to know that Jesus Christ is our Elder Brother. He is our Savior. He is our Redeemer.
We have a choice heritage. I want you to know, you Lamanite people, that Heavenly Father loves you.
Thanks Maksutov. There is only one American Indian general authority at this time, Elder Larry Echo Hawk. He isn't Navajo but he also believes that the Book of Mormon is about his ancestors. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... -of-israel
So bofmgeography, in addition to the Navajo, where do the Pawnee fit in your geography? Is a standing LDS general authority who happens to be an enrolled tribal member of the Pawnee nation really from Book of Mormon people, or is he as mistaken about his own identify as Elders Hinckley and Uchtdorf were according to you about the Mayan?
I am proud to declare to you today, brothers and sisters, that I am a descendant of Lehi, Nephi, and all the great Book of Mormon prophets. I am proud to be a child of the Book of Mormon people. I have found my true heritage; I have found my true identity. I am a son of God, a child of God, a child of the Book of Mormon, a child of Lehi, a rich heritage that extends all the way back to my Heavenly Father, through Moses, and Abraham, and other great prophets.
I am also proud to be a descendant of great Indian chiefs of our country. I am proud to be a descendant of Red Cloud, Sitting Bull, Chief Joseph, Chee Dodge, Chief Crazy Horse and all these great Indian chiefs that did so well as leaders of their people. I want you to know that these men were great. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are all in paradise; and I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them are converted, and maybe some of them are on the fourth missionary discussion. I am proud of my rich heritage.
To you my people, the Lamanite people, on Indian reservations and in the cities of our country and through the islands of the sea, I want you to know that Jesus Christ is our Elder Brother. He is our Savior. He is our Redeemer.
We have a choice heritage. I want you to know, you Lamanite people, that Heavenly Father loves you.
Thanks Maksutov. There is only one American Indian general authority at this time, Elder Larry Echo Hawk. He isn't Navajo but he also believes that the Book of Mormon is about his ancestors. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... -of-israel
So bofmgeography, in addition to the Navajo, where do the Pawnee fit in your geography? Is a standing LDS general authority who happens to be an enrolled tribal member of the Pawnee nation really from Book of Mormon people, or is he as mistaken about his own identify as Elders Hinckley and Uchtdorf were according to you about the Mayan?
Nothing from McKane, eh? Maybe he's still consulting his little racist pseuoscientist friends or trying to get his dowsing rods to work. It could be a while.
spotlight wrote:Seems plain enough what his point is CCC. The "scripture" defines Nephite and Lamanite identity as genetic, not just "religiopolitical."
The notion of genetics is achronistic to the text.
spotlight wrote:Seems plain enough what his point is CCC. The "scripture" defines Nephite and Lamanite identity as genetic, not just "religiopolitical."
The notion of genetics is achronistic to the text.
Joseph Smith's own words of what Moroni allegedly told him leaves no room for religiopolitical. he told me of a sacred record which was written on plates of gold, I saw in the vision the place where they were deposited, he said the indians, were the literal descendants of Abraham http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper- ... 35-1836/25
ClarkGoble wrote:The notion of genetics is achronistic to the text.
Joseph Smith's own words of what Moroni allegedly told him leaves no room for religiopolitical. he told me of a sacred record which was written on plates of gold, I saw in the vision the place where they were deposited, he said the indians, were the literal descendants of Abraham http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper- ... 35-1836/25
Everything about the Book of Mormon and what Joseph was claiming as revelations from God fit YEC and global flood. It's why the Book of Mormon tells us the land of promise was devoid of humans so Lehi could have an inheritance and spread his seed, and why the Book of Mormon never actually brings up any other groups that didn't arrive from the old world. The Book of Mormon references Noah's flood as global, and the Book of Mormon interesting answers question popular in Joseph's day about how the Americas were populated after Noah's global flood event. One of the popular ideas was migrations from lost tribes of Israel. Hmm Really?
The Navajo do have the Middle East haplo group x DNA gene. Navajo do fit in but I do not know how exactly. It's most likely through nephite trading outpost and expansion. It's a known fact Hopewell trade extended thousands of miles to the Rocky Mountains see x distribution map.
Haplo group x largest concentrations are in Israel Druze and Native Americans i.e. Not in Asia
Native Americans, haplogroup X appears to be essentially restricted to northern Amerindian groups, including the Ojibwa, the Nuu-Chah-Nulth, the Sioux, and the Yakima, although we also observed this haplogroup in the Na-Dene–speaking Navajo.
bomgeography wrote:The Navajo do have the Middle East haplo group x DNA gene. Navajo do fit in but I do not know how exactly. It's most likely through Nephite trading outpost and expansion. It's a known fact Hopewell trade extended thousands of miles to the Rocky Mountains see x distribution map.
Haplo group x largest concentrations are in Israel Druze and Native Americans i.e. Not in Asia
Native Americans, haplogroup X appears to be essentially restricted to northern Amerindian groups, including the Ojibwa, the Nuu-Chah-Nulth, the Sioux, and the Yakima, although we also observed this haplogroup in the Na-Dene–speaking Navajo.
Navajo were not residing in the American Southwest during Book of Mormon times.
"Archaeological and historical evidence suggests the Athabaskan ancestors of the Navajos and Apaches entered the Southwest around 1400 CE.[7][8] The Navajo oral tradition is said to retain references of this migration." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo
bomgeography wrote:The Navajo do have the Middle East haplo group x DNA gene. Navajo do fit in but I do not know how exactly. It's most likely through Nephite trading outpost and expansion. It's a known fact Hopewell trade extended thousands of miles to the Rocky Mountains see x distribution map.
Haplo group x largest concentrations are in Israel Druze and Native Americans i.e. Not in Asia
Native Americans, haplogroup X appears to be essentially restricted to northern Amerindian groups, including the Ojibwa, the Nuu-Chah-Nulth, the Sioux, and the Yakima, although we also observed this haplogroup in the Na-Dene–speaking Navajo.
We have already established haplogroup x is much too old to be from a group of people migrating from the middle east 3000 years ago. It belongs to people who lived here thousands of years before even Book of Mormon claims about Jaredites arriving.
Haplo group x which Navajo do have a small percentage of is from the Middle East not the Arctic.
DNA has already established that haplo group x came from the Middle East not Central Asia arctic or Siberia. So unless you believe they took an airplane to North America that is one option the other option is haplo group x sailed to North America as described in the Book of Mormon and the theory and dating that it is older than the Book of Mormon is wrong. Have a nice day.
