No matter what happens, regardless of how cruel it is, it is NEVER considered a mistake. It is ALWAYS justified somehow... God's ways are not man's ways, etc. As I said, I have yet to hear the church admit to a mistake. EVERYTHING can be rationalized regardless of how completely horrible it is. Blame God and you are good to go.
I'd personally would feel much better about it all if various churches just admitted to mistakes, learned from them, released them, and moved on. But with the claim that God is at the helm, there seems to be no possibility of such a thing.
:-)
~dancer~
You've hit the nail on the head. It wasn't until I realized my own part in rationalizing some awful stuff that I could see things clearly. And it horrified me.
You've hit the nail on the head. It wasn't until I realized my own part in rationalizing some awful stuff that I could see things clearly. And it horrified me.
You've hit the nail on the head. It wasn't until I realized my own part in rationalizing some awful stuff that I could see things clearly. And it horrified me.
Loran:
Oh please
Oh the pain, the terrible pain...
Yeah, it was rather painful. Your point?
Oh, right. You enjoy minimizing others' experiences and ridiculing. Got it.
All my post speaks to is the fact that sometimes our mortal life can be harsh and that sometimes God has to be harsh to make his point. That is as it is. Sometimes we can't eat our cake and have it too, and sometimes God is behind that for a very specific purpose. Sometimes we have to suffer. Sometimes we have to undergo great and sustained suffering.
You see TD, your own self absorbed, solipsistic perspective, that says you are the only one who decides what suffering is legitimate, whether their should be any suffering at all, in what manner, and to what degree, and which claims to have penetrated the mysteries of the human condition for all time and found God's dealings with manikind wanting, is the problem here, not one of Johsua's military campaigns or one of Abraham's or Joseh Smith's wives.
But is it the right system? Who knows what "gospel" Jesus preached? The gospel presented in the Bible has been plucked, scrubbed, interpreted, stretched, pulled, tugged, and deloused for the past 2000 years. The Bible in itself is contradictory. One half says kill homosexuals, the next says love thy neighbor.
Coggins I know you have a strong belief that you're correct, but take a second and realize that this system, which so many people try to live, has proved unlivable for so many. Isn't it their choice to reject this system. Don't we call that free will?
Bond
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"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
Coggins7 wrote: All my post speaks to is the fact that sometimes our mortal life can be harsh and that sometimes God has to be harsh to make his point. That is as it is. Sometimes we can't eat our cake and have it too, and sometimes God is behind that for a very specific purpose. Sometimes we have to suffer. Sometimes we have to undergo great and sustained suffering.
What is that purpose?
Bond
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
You see TD, your own self absorbed, solipsistic perspective, that says you are the only one who decides what suffering is legitimate, whether their should be any suffering at all, in what manner, and to what degree, and which claims to have penetrated the mysteries of the human condition for all time and found God's dealings with manikind wanting, is the problem here, not one of Johsua's military campaigns or one of Abraham's or Joseh Smith's wives.
Loran
I don't think TD is saying it's her province to decide what suffering is important or not important, rather that people suffer. We all suffer in one form or another. The point is that the group that causes suffering (a religion, a social group, our family, whatever) won't admit mistakes.
Bond
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
Hi Bond, yes you are correct. Thank you for clarifying.
I'm not in any way suggesting some suffering is legitmate and some suffering is not (I don't even know what this means when I think about it). :-) All I know is there is suffering, and that there has been a lot of it in the name of God. God seems to be the ultimate scapegoat no?
I'm trying to suggest that, regardless of how cruel, degrading, disgusting, perverted a belief or action, if one thinks God is in charge it is ALL justified. You totally affirm my assertion.
You do not seem to be able to admit that there have been mistakes.
I understand this because to admit God made mistakes is pretty tough to do.
This is only a problem though IF one believes they are receiving communication directly from God/Jesus.