Do Mormons worship the "SON" or the "SUN"

[_evolving]

for the past 50 or so hours with my good friends Google and Wiki. I have managed to re-shape my world view again. much like the days/weeks following a realization that my small, yet ideal Mormon world was shaped much differently than I had thought for my first 35 years of life.. the past two days I have felt enlightened by some simple, yet profound details I found doing some research on a JS-papyri thread I was following. I have compiled about 50 pages of data, yet un-verified un-organized. but I will share some of the details here of what I found very interesting.. I will compile my thoughts as to why I believe most, if not all diety based reglions all boil down to good old "Sun Worship" later today after a few hours of work and a few hours of sleep..

the ultimate Archetype -- the Horus/Christ connection --

Horus born of a virgin Isis. <> Jesus born of a virgin Mary.
The foster father of Horus was Seb or Seph. <> Jesus was fostered by Joseph.
Horus was of royal descent. <> Jesus was of royal descent.
Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts. <> Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.
The birth of Horus announced by angels. <> The birth of Jesus announced by angels.
Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. <> Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah
Horus was a prodigal teacher at age 12 <>Jesus was a prodigal teacher at age 12.
Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river. <> Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.
Horus resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain. <> Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.
Horus had 12 followers. <> Jesus had 12 disciples.
Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. <> Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.
Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris] <> Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus - the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.
Horus was known as The Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God/The Light” <> Jesus was known as the Good Shepherd the Lamb of God/The Light and life of the World”
Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. <> The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.
Horus was betrayed by Tiphon which lead to his death <> Jesus was betrayed by Judas which lead to his death.
Horus was killed by crucifixion. <> Jesus was crucified.
Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixion. <> Jesus was crucified with two thieves.
Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu. <> Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].
Horus was resurrected after 3 days. <> Jesus was resurrected after 3 days.
The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. <> The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.
Horus was given the title of KRST which means “anointed one” <> Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”
Horus was considered the Good Shepherd amongst other names identified as a falcon to watch over shepherds, flocks and other grazing cattle. <> Jesus was called the Good Shepherd amongst other names
Horus is associated with fish and is linked with the star sign Pisces. <> Jesus is also associated with fish [and fishermen] and has Pisces as his star sign.


there are many other historical and mythological stories with similar to Egyptian Horus pre-dating Christ

Budha/Buddha or Sakai of India
Buddha was born of the virgin Maya, who was considered the "Queen of Heaven."
He was of royal descent.
He crushed a serpent's head.
He had 12 disciples.
He performed miracles and wonders, healed the sick, fed 500 men from a "small basket of cakes," and walked on water.
He abolished idolatry, was a "sower of the word," and preached "the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness."
He taught chastity, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all.
He was transfigured on a mount.
Sakya Buddha was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered for three days in hell, and was resurrected.
He ascended to Nirvana or "heaven."
Buddha was considered the "Good Shepherd"the "Carpenter", the "Infinite and Everlasting."
He was called the "Savior of the World" and the "Light of the World."
The impact of his teachings was felt throughout northeastern India, where they were spread verbally through his interaction with the people.
From numerous scriptures available today, it can be surmised that he often expounded his teachings in response to the people's questions.

Mithra of Persia
Mithra was born on December 25th.
He was considered a great teacher and master.
He had 12 companions or disciples.
He is said to have performed miracles.
He was buried in a tomb.
After three days he rose again.
His resurrection was celebrated every year.
Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."
He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."
He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.
His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter, at which time he was resurrected.
His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper."

Krishna of India
Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki ("Divine One")
his father was a carpenter.
His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh.
He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.
He was of royal descent.
He was baptized in the River Ganges.
He worked miracles and wonders.
He raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind.
Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love.
He lived poor and he loved the poor."
He was transfigured in front of his disciples. In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
Krishna is called the "Shepherd God" and "Lord of lords," and was considered "the Redeemer, Firstborn, Sin Bearer, Liberator, Universal Word."
He is the second person of the Trinity, and proclaimed himself the "Resurrection" and the "way to the Father.
He was considered the "Beginning, the Middle and the End," "Alpha and Omega", as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.
His disciples bestowed upon him the title "Jezeus," meaning "pure essence."
Krishna is to return to do battle with the "Prince of Evil," who will desolate the earth.

Prometheus of Greece
The Greek god Prometheus has been claimed to have come from Egypt, but his story took place in the Caucasus mountains. Prometheus, just like Krishna, shares a number of striking similarities with Jesus.
Prometheus descended from heaven as God incarnate as a man, to save mankind.
He was crucified, suffered and rose from the dead.
He was called the Logos or Word.
Five centuries before the Christian era, esteemed Greek poet Aeschylus wrote Prometheus Bound, which, according to Taylor, was presented in the theatre in Athens.
Tradition holds that Prometheus was crucified on a rock, another legend states he was crucified on a tree and that Christians muddled the story or mutilated the text, as they did with the works of so many ancient authors. The sun hiding in darkness parallels the Christian fable of the darkness descending when Jesus was crucified.

and the following list -- Wiki is freaking awesome !!

Adad of Ninevah (Assyria)
Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece
Alcides/Elaides of Thebes
Alkestus of Aegeia
Attis of Greece
Atys of Chaldea (Phrygia)
Baal & Taut of Phoenecia
Bal of Babylon
Bali/Beli of Afghanistan
Bali of Orissa
Beddin (Beddru) of Japan
bi-Amrih al Hakim of Egypt
Bremrillah of the Druids
Budha Sakia of India
Budha/Buddha or Sakai of India
Cadmus of Greece
Cadmus of the Hellenes
Chrishna of Hindostan
Coyote Droppings (Wovoka) of the Piute
Crishna of India (Hindostan)
Crite of Chaldea
David Koresh
Deva-Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam
Dionysus of Greece
Divine Teacher of Plato
Elizabeth Claire Chapel/Count St-Germain
Eugene Vintras of France
Father Divine (George Baker) of New York
Feta of the Madaites
Fohi and Tien of China
Gentaut of Mexico
Gentaut of the Aztecs
Hel and Fata of the Mandans
Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids
Hil and Feta of the Mandaites
Hil of the Madaites
Holy One of Xaca
Hung Hsiu-chuan of China
Hung Hui Ching of Taiwan
Iao (Jao) of Nepal
Indra of Tibet
Ischy of the Island of Formosa
IxiOn and Quirinus of Rome
JR "Bob" Dobbs of Texas
Jacob (ne Leibowicz) Frank of Poland (Zoharists)
Jan Bockelson (Anabaptist of Munster)
Jao of Nepal
Jim Jones (US/Guyana)
Joseph-Antoine Boullan
Joshua bar Joseph of Palestine
Kameloxis of Thrace
Konrad Shmidt of Thuringia
Krishna of India
Luc Jouret (Joseph di Mambro)(and daughter, Emanuelle)
Mani of Babylon (Manichaeanism)
Maria Devi Christos (Marina Tsvygun) of Ukraine
Marshall Applewhite
Mikado of Sintos or Sintoos
Mithra/Mythra of Persia
Moate Kim Miller (of Concerned Christians)
Mohamud, or Mahomet, of Arabia
Odin of Scandinavia
Osiris/Orus of Egypt
Prometheus of Greece or Caucasus
Quetzalcoatl/Quexalcote of Mexico
Quirinus of Rome
Rael (Claude Vorilhon) of France
Sakia of Hindustan
Salvahan(a) of Caribec (Bermuda)
Shabbatai ben Zevi of the European Jews
Shiloh, son of Joanna Southcott
Shoko Asahara (Chizuo Matsumoto) of Japan
Sun Myung Moon of Korea
Tammus/Thammuz of Syria
Tanchelm of Antwerp
Taut of Phoenicia
Tenskwatawa of the Shawnee
Thor, Son of Odin, of the Gauls
Thulis of Egypt
Tien of China
Tornieli Dolcino of Novara
Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
Wittoba of Telingonese (Bilingonese)
Xaniolxis of Thrace
Zoar of the Bonzes
Zoroaster/Mithra of Persia
Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt

[_moksha]

My guess is that you are a fan of Joseph Campbell. His series on the transformation of myth through time was great.

Mormons worship God the Father, Jesus the Son and the ethereal Holy Spirit.

[_The Nehor]

If the ancients knew of the Son of God's advent it would be more disturbing if there were no parallels.

Specifically we have strange hints of Egyptian connections all over our canon and history. Joseph marrying the daughter of the Egyptian High Priest. The Jewish mini-Temple in Egypt. The Book of Abraham. The Horus/Christ connection complete with the cross symbol meaning something akin to 'salvation'.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Evolving...

Great work!

Two of the best books on this topic... both I think you would quite enjoy are by Freke and Gandy...

The Jesus Mysteries,

and,

Jesus and the Lost Goddess

And yeah, Joseph Campbell is AMAZING!

~dancer~

[_evolving]

If the ancients knew of the Son of God's advent it would be more disturbing if there were no parallels.

Actually if you change your perspective slightly, and view the recorded history of time, down the time-line from today back to the beginings of recorded history. the Nicean creed and the creation of the holy Bible are simply a compilation of quazi-historical myths from generations of the past mixed with Hellenized versions of messaniac faith-based theology. the Crusades, Christian Conquests & Inquisition like events are simiply attempts by power mongers to erase other cultures that held beliefs in gods different that thier version of God.. those events worked well to create generations of people who believed in the same type of Christ mythology. it also is easy to see that wherever the crusade like events did not eradicate non-nicean christian peoples, these cultures still hold beliefs containing archetypes of Horus, the son of RA. ie buddah, krishna mythra, shinto etc cetera.

~evolving

[_The Nehor]

If the ancients knew of the Son of God's advent it would be more disturbing if there were no parallels.

Actually if you change your perspective slightly, and view the recorded history of time, down the time-line from today back to the beginings of recorded history. the Nicean creed and the creation of the holy Bible are simply a compilation of quazi-historical myths from generations of the past mixed with Hellenized versions of messaniac faith-based theology. the Crusades, Christian Conquests & Inquisition like events are simiply attempts by power mongers to erase other cultures that held beliefs in gods different that thier version of God.. those events worked well to create generations of people who believed in the same type of Christ mythology. it also is easy to see that wherever the crusade like events did not eradicate non-nicean christian peoples, these cultures still hold beliefs containing archetypes of Horus, the son of RA. ie buddah, krishna mythra, shinto etc cetera.

~evolving

I could do but that would cause some serious cognitive dissonance. One can't talk with God and then decide that he was lying to you the whole time without going mad.

I would then have to conclude that if the voices are right all the time and there is no God that I must be God or be in touch with a trickster entity with incredible powers. Probably be easier to just go mad.

[_evolving]

I could do but that would cause some serious cognitive dissonance. One can't talk with God and then decide that he was lying to you the whole time without going mad.

Mad Yes!! Hella Mad!!! and angry and frustrated, and confused, and bewildered. then one day the world just got bigger, alot bigger. and as I explained to my Bish. the god I believe in - ??? if he/she/WE is/are there ??? it has to be alot bigger than just mormonisim..if I had to cram everything I know back into that bubble, my mind would simply burst, in a glorious schitzo way. Now saying that - If some archeologist, digging somewhere, anywhere were to uncover a huge dish shaped ark with a glowing stone in it.. yep that would throw a wrench in my master plan..

~evolving

[_The Nehor]

I could do but that would cause some serious cognitive dissonance. One can't talk with God and then decide that he was lying to you the whole time without going mad.

Mad Yes!! Hella Mad!!! and angry and frustrated, and confused, and bewildered. then one day the world just got bigger, alot bigger. and as I explained to my Bish. the god I believe in - ??? if he/she/WE is/are there ??? it has to be alot bigger than just mormonisim..if I had to cram everything I know back into that bubble, my mind would simply burst, in a glorious schitzo way. Now saying that - If some archeologist, digging somewhere, anywhere were to uncover a huge dish shaped ark with a glowing stone in it.. yep that would throw a wrench in my master plan..

~evolving

My God is much bigger than Mormonism. Humans are far too pathetic to do more than hint to each other about him. Conversing with him is bracing and I know he's being very gentle.

I will admit that moving from shallow religion to awed disbelief is probably a step up. Awe at creation is a more religious feeling than many of the Testimonies I endure on Fast Sunday.

[_Gazelam]

Adam was instructed by the three angels on the redemption from the Fall and how Christ was to bring it about. All of the Myths you bring up are corruptions of that story.