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_Roger Morrison
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Hi Richard, you've been a busy guy! I hope your efforts are well rewarded! Must be exciting for You to be working with your Dad!! Lucky for both.

This is more an acknowledement than a response. I'll have to follow your link, and think about your quotes. HOWEVER :-) you said:

Where is the political censorship in the US coming today? It’s largely from the left. Speech codes and hate crimes bills are both designed to stifle dissent against liberal orthodoxy. The response from advocates of hate crimes bills to this charge will be that hate crimes bills punish actions not speech. Ah, yes, but it’s a short step to the latter as we are already seeing in Canada and Scandinavia.



As I am Canadian, will you please explain the inference made in your above quote? Warm regards, Roger
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Hi Roger,

Take all the time you need to formulate a response (assuming you think my posts are worth replying to). It took me about three weeks to respond to you. Here are some examples:

What began as a movement to "tolerate'' alternatives to the traditional Christian sexuality and its emphasis on the traditional family, has now become an insistence on public "affirmation.''

* Revenue Canada strips charitable status from The Challenge Team, a youth group that tours the country, promoting chastity in schools and youth clubs; the agency insists the group must also teach about condoms and other birth control devices.

* B.C.'s Trinity Western University is embroiled in a long, expensive legal war with the B.C. College of Teachers. The BCCT refuses to accredit Trinity's education program because the
Christian university's code of student conduct forbids pre-marital sex and homosexual activity.

* Christian print shop owner Scott Brockie is in court for refusing to print stationery for the Toronto Lesbian and Gay Archives. He accepts commercial jobs from homosexuals but feels this job would involve a personal endorsement of homosexuality, contrary to his faith. He has lost his case before the Ontario Human Rights Commission. If he loses his appeal, he may have to choose between denying his faith or closing his business.

* Christian grandmother Linda Gibbons spends most of the past four years in jail. She speaks to women going into Toronto abortion clinics -- politely, the sheriff admits -- to offer help in keeping their babies or placing them for adoption. Free speech is banned from public sidewalks outside abortion clinics in Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary and Ontario.

* A Christian missionary family, the Raths, see their four-year-old daughter seized by B.C. Social Services, on the word of a drug addict who accuses them of sexual abuse. Even after a medical examination proves no abuse, social workers refuse to release their child. It takes the Raths a month to find a judge to hear their case and return the traumatized girl.

* At the University of British Columbia last spring, some pro-abortion students are videotaped trashing a large Christian pro-life display. The attorney-general refuses to prosecute the vandals.

* The Alberta government lets a bill to protect the freedom of conscience of medical workers die on the order paper. Meanwhile, Christian pharmacist Maria Bizecki is suspended from her job and investigated by the College of Pharmacists for refusing to dispense an abortifacient drug.


http://www.familyaction.org/Articles/ar ... tyword.htm

I’ve known for a while about the issue with Trinity Western University.
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Hi Richard, a brief response--i'm in a library with time limits.

I read the link and am immpressed by the writers prejudices. We all have 'em, eh? Note the Canadian National Anthem implores, "..."God" keep our land, glorious & free..." Probably doesn't mean much more in Canada than does your, "..."God" bless America..." :-)

Quebec's 15% church attendance is a somewhat generational reaction to the century's RC extreme dominance up until the 1950 & '60s. Would be interesting to Google that fall-out...

Politician name-calling hardly rates consideration... Interesting a Jewish lecturer being critical of another's Christianity?? Yes, we are more 'liberal' in areas of social expectations being not religiously motivated. A complex debate, but generally in many areas of human interaction i tend to the secular. My reason being, in my 70+ years i have enjoyed more secular-fruit than religious fruit which is most conspicuous by its absence. This is not to say church attendees are not found supporting social progress...

I hope you can see the line i draw through traditional religion and contemporary universalist church activity. "Church" seems to be more about the "spirit" directing individuals. OTOH religion still tends to obedience to the "letter"... What do you think?

This takes us back to the homosexual controversy. Whether by birth--which i consider it to be--or by choice, adult, consentual sexual activity is no one's business but the partakers of that activity, homo or hetero. I think it is a human concern more than a "God" concern...

Here again we have the intrusion of religious-letter into the spiritual environment of church/community. Said in full acceptance of disagreement.

Gotta run... Warm regards, Roger
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Hi Roger,

i figured you'd disagree with the author's presuppositions. But let's focus on the main issue. Do advocates of homosexuality welcome all scientific research on the subject? I think not.

* B.C.'s Trinity Western University is embroiled in a long, expensive legal war with the B.C. College of Teachers. The BCCT refuses to accredit Trinity's education program because the
Christian university's code of student conduct forbids pre-marital sex and homosexual activity.

Do you agree with the BCCT?

Richard
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Hi Richard, i'm 'bold' below ;-)

richardMdBorn wrote:Hi Roger,

I figured you'd disagree with the author's presuppositions. But let's focus on the main issue. Do advocates of homosexuality welcome all scientific research on the subject? I think not.

Rm: I think 'some' would, others might not. Total, absolute unanimity is very rare... On either side of an issue...

* B.C.'s Trinity Western University is embroiled in a long, expensive legal war with the B.C. College of Teachers. The BCCT refuses to accredit Trinity's education program because the
Christian university's code of student conduct forbids pre-marital sex and homosexual activity.

RM: Most 'parents' impose the same expectation on their 'children'. It appears TWU sees themselves in the Master's role of subordinates. I suggest that super authoritarian suppression of adult-agency is much behind the BCCT actions...

Do you agree with the BCCT?

RM: As a retired HS teacher, and a past negotiator for my Local Association, this contention is hardly unique between Boards and Federations. Both groups made up of diversant personalities and dispositions. A reality that too often overshadows "what's right" with "Who's right"...

Richard


Richard, re your question, "Yes"... Because, i think the TWU edict is Draconian, and misrepresentative of pedagogical principles to supercede a candidates IQ, academic qualifications, subject knowledge and career aspirations with such irrelevant impositions. After all, TWU is not an Elementary School. If it were my answer would be quite different.

Would You screen qualified professionals applying to work in 'your' GPS research lab with the same requirement? Maybe not a fair question? Warm regards, Roger
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Roger Morrison wrote:Hi Richard, I'm 'bold' below ;-)

richardMdBorn wrote:Hi Roger,

I figured you'd disagree with the author's presuppositions. But let's focus on the main issue. Do advocates of homosexuality welcome all scientific research on the subject? I think not.

Rm: I think 'some' would, others might not. Total, absolute unanimity is very rare... On either side of an issue...

* B.C.'s Trinity Western University is embroiled in a long, expensive legal war with the B.C. College of Teachers. The BCCT refuses to accredit Trinity's education program because the
Christian university's code of student conduct forbids pre-marital sex and homosexual activity.

RM: Most 'parents' impose the same expectation on their 'children'. It appears TWU sees themselves in the Master's role of subordinates. I suggest that super authoritarian suppression of adult-agency is much behind the BCCT actions...

Do you agree with the BCCT?

RM: As a retired HS teacher, and a past negotiator for my Local Association, this contention is hardly unique between Boards and Federations. Both groups made up of diversant personalities and dispositions. A reality that too often overshadows "what's right" with "Who's right"...

Richard


Richard, re your question, "Yes"... Because, I think the TWU edict is Draconian, and misrepresentative of pedagogical principles to supercede a candidates IQ, academic qualifications, subject knowledge and career aspirations with such irrelevant impositions. After all, TWU is not an Elementary School. If it were my answer would be quite different.

Would You screen qualified professionals applying to work in 'your' GPS research lab with the same requirement? Maybe not a fair question? Warm regards, Roger
Hi Roger,

I don't have a GPS research lab. I do write articles on the subject. The periodical with my newest article just went to the printer

http://www.spacebusiness.com/quest/back.htm

The point about the TWU standard is to disenfranchise any organization which differs from the standard of "enlightened" people about homosexuality. That is a thought crime which cannot be tolerated. At the same time, the minority of Muslims who would kill homosexuals in they had the power to are to be tolerated. The left is hopelessly confused about this issue. Its identity politics stance means it tolerates those who want to murder infidels while persecuting those who differ with it on homosexuality, abortion, etc.

Richard
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