Nephi wrote:harmony wrote:Perhaps you aren't aware of a few details:
Enlighten me, oh great one...
Actually, that would be Daniel.
harmony wrote:1. According to Daniel, the church and its leaders are supremely unaware of anything online, and that logically must include wiki. So for the church ISP to be found editing wiki negates what Daniel just said. They are not only aware, they are concerned enough to edit. Several times. So Daniel's position that the church knows virtually nothing about what is said online just took a step backwards, because obviously the church knows enough to make corrections it deems necessary.
OMG! The church must not be true, then! Daniel must know everything about the church (thank God). Great conclusion here...
Actually, it is the most important part of the discussion, Nephi. Daniel's repeated assertion that the church and it's leaders are unaware of what goes on on-line is what Merc was addressing when he posted the list of COB owned IP's. That you think it is unimportant is immaterial. Merc was needling Daniel. He loves to prove that Daniel is misinformed, out of loop, and downright wrong if he can. It's a game they play. Merc can't prove that the leaders ordered the changes, and Daniel can't prove that they didn't. So they continue playing the game.
harmony wrote:2. The church is not interested in "correct" information. Some truths are not helpful, according to a few of our esteemed leaders. The church wants faith-promoting information only. So you see why their edits on wiki are both problematic and amusing? If they're editing out correct information (such as the prayer circle informationm which was exactly correct) in favor of only faith-promoting information, that makes wiki an extension of the COB, not a source of unrestricted information.
Its wikipedia. First of, its changable, secondly, it has a good chance of NOT being accurate. Finally, as for the prayer circle, temple rituals are sacred (like what goes on in people's bedrooms. Its okay to go online to get an idea of what happens in there, but there is no reason to go into detail for those who are not a part of the sacredness of it.
Your point is secondary to the main point of the thread, but noteworthy just the same. I understand why they took it out, Nephi. I also understand that it was completely accurate. My point still stands: the church is not interested in accurate information; the church is only interested in faith-promoting information.
harmony wrote:3. If the government were attempting to edit out accurate information, then the answer to your question would like be in the affirmative. It's not like the edits are concerned with correcting inaccurate information; they're concerned with inserting faith-promoting information only.
Religious things tend not to be "provable" and therefore subject to a large amount of interpretation, therefore the idea of "accurate information" when speaking of religion on wiki is debatable, Mormon or not.
Proof is not the same as accurate information. No proof is required to state that Merc's quote about the prayer circle was accurate. Anyone who went through the temple prior to the changes knows it was accurate. However, the church is not interested in accurate information.
Wiki isn't perfect. It is very fallible, and to get upset that there might be information on it which is incorrect when you can go edit it yourself if you so desire makes no sense... Its like the kid who wants a sucker right in front of them, but they wish to complain that someone took it away from them at first. Either edit it or don't. No reason to complain that someone else edited it, regardless where they came from.
Who is upset? Merc?
Hey, Mercury! Are you upset?
He wasn't complaining about the edits. He was pointing them out to Daniel in a never-ending crusade to heckle the church's #1 apologist.