Very Old Books as Scripture

[_richardMdBorn]

Ozem – my comments are in bold

In Biblical times, people believed:

The sun was the center of the universe.

False. Ptolemy's framework had the earth as the center of the universe.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect ... totle.html

So are you arguing Ptolemy was correct?

No, I'm arguing that people believed that the earth, not the sun, was the center of the universe in biblical times and in the Middle Ages.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Ozem – my comments are in bold

In Biblical times, people believed:

The sun was the center of the universe.

False. Ptolemy's framework had the earth as the center of the universe.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect ... totle.html

So are you arguing Ptolemy was correct?

No, I'm arguing that people believed that the earth, not the sun, was the center of the universe in biblical times and in the Middle Ages.

Thanks for the correction. The point of the thread is the people in Biblical times and the Middle Ages were wrong about that.

[_richardMdBorn]

Ozem – my comments are in bold

In Biblical times, people believed:

The sun was the center of the universe.

False. Ptolemy's framework had the earth as the center of the universe.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect ... totle.html

So are you arguing Ptolemy was correct?

No, I'm arguing that people believed that the earth, not the sun, was the center of the universe in biblical times and in the Middle Ages.

Thanks for the correction. The point of the thread is the people in Biblical times and the Middle Ages were wrong about that.

I'm commenting that Ozemc does not know what the beliefs of the folks from Biblical times and Middle Ages were.

[_ozemc]

Ozem – my comments are in bold

In Biblical times, people believed:

The sun was the center of the universe.

False. Ptolemy's framework had the earth as the center of the universe.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect ... totle.html

So are you arguing Ptolemy was correct?

No, I'm arguing that people believed that the earth, not the sun, was the center of the universe in biblical times and in the Middle Ages.

Thanks for the correction. The point of the thread is the people in Biblical times and the Middle Ages were wrong about that.

I'm commenting that Ozemc does not know what the beliefs of the folks from Biblical times and Middle Ages were.

Yes, I know. The point was that they believed that they were the center of it all. OK, so I said sun, instead of earth. Big Deal.

I rattled it off the top of my head, good grief. I guess if I had sat down and researched through the internet or whatever, I would have been technically correct. SatanWasSetUp is right, the point I was trying to make was that we know now that those beliefs - whatever they were - are false.

If you want to get real specific, let's talk about today.

Some people actually believe that the awesome, powerful, mysterious God of the universe, who created things we can't see or imagine, came down and talked to a teenage boy on this little planet.

This God, who creates stars, in our own galaxy, that are as big as the orbit of Saturn, just happened to decide that right then, and with that one boy, all of humanity could be somehow restored to the Gospel. Even though, if you believe it, that Gospel pretty much can stand on its own.

People actually believe that God, who created black holes, quasars, and galaxies millions of light years across really cares that they do or do not drink a cup of coffee in the morning. Or cares what sort of underwear they wear.

To be quite honest, that seems very limiting, and insulting, to God. Like trying to fit God into your own little, pre-conceived notion how or what He/She/It should be.

[_richardMdBorn]

Yes, I know. The point was that they believed that they were the center of it all. OK, so I said sun, instead of earth. Big Deal.

I rattled it off the top of my head, good grief. I guess if I had sat down and researched through the internet or whatever, I would have been technically correct.

But they didn't believe that the earth was flat.

SatanWasSetUp is right, the point I was trying to make was that we know now that those beliefs - whatever they were - are false.

And our court system in the 1980s and 1990s put many people in jail on false accusations of sexual abuse in day care centers.

If you want to get real specific, let's talk about today.

Some people actually believe that the awesome, powerful, mysterious God of the universe, who created things we can't see or imagine, came down and talked to a teenage boy on this little planet.

This God, who creates stars, in our own galaxy, that are as big as the orbit of Saturn, just happened to decide that right then, and with that one boy, all of humanity could be somehow restored to the Gospel. Even though, if you believe it, that Gospel pretty much can stand on its own.

People actually believe that God, who created black holes, quasars, and galaxies millions of light years across really cares that they do or do not drink a cup of coffee in the morning. Or cares what sort of underwear they wear.

To be quite honest, that seems very limiting, and insulting, to God. Like trying to fit God into your own little, pre-conceived notion how or what He/She/It should be.

I'm a never LDS, so I'll let them answer.

[_Gazelam]

If you want to get real specific, let's talk about today.

Some people actually believe that the awesome, powerful, mysterious God of the universe, who created things we can't see or imagine, came down and talked to a teenage boy on this little planet.

This God, who creates stars, in our own galaxy, that are as big as the orbit of Saturn, just happened to decide that right then, and with that one boy, all of humanity could be somehow restored to the Gospel. Even though, if you believe it, that Gospel pretty much can stand on its own.

People actually believe that God, who created black holes, quasars, and galaxies millions of light years across really cares that they do or do not drink a cup of coffee in the morning. Or cares what sort of underwear they wear.

To be quite honest, that seems very limiting, and insulting, to God. Like trying to fit God into your own little, pre-conceived notion how or what He/She/It should be.

Know what else God is capable of? Self control.

Know what God is teaching us when he asks us to be obedient to even little things like not drinking coffee? Self control.

I'm sure you can work out other things pertaining to the attributes of God and the various commandments and covenants we are asked to keep. Think about it.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Know what God is teaching us when he asks us to be obedient to even little things like not drinking coffee? Self control.

That's funny, I was taught that obedience to the little things was all about...obedience. Remember, obedience is the first law of heaven. You can pretend it's about self control if it makes you feel better, but the truth is you don't drink coffee because you obey a group of men in Salt Lake.

[_ozemc]

If you want to get real specific, let's talk about today.

Some people actually believe that the awesome, powerful, mysterious God of the universe, who created things we can't see or imagine, came down and talked to a teenage boy on this little planet.

This God, who creates stars, in our own galaxy, that are as big as the orbit of Saturn, just happened to decide that right then, and with that one boy, all of humanity could be somehow restored to the Gospel. Even though, if you believe it, that Gospel pretty much can stand on its own.

People actually believe that God, who created black holes, quasars, and galaxies millions of light years across really cares that they do or do not drink a cup of coffee in the morning. Or cares what sort of underwear they wear.

To be quite honest, that seems very limiting, and insulting, to God. Like trying to fit God into your own little, pre-conceived notion how or what He/She/It should be.

Know what else God is capable of? Self control.

Not by some of the stuff in the Old Testament. It sure seems like He had a bad temper that got out of control to me

Know what God is teaching us when he asks us to be obedient to even little things like not drinking coffee? Self control.

Actually, God has nothing to do with it. It's all about control from the man-made rules. If they can control you on little things like not drinking coffee or what underwear you wear, then they can control you in much bigger things, like money and time.

I'm sure you can work out other things pertaining to the attributes of God and the various commandments and covenants we are asked to keep. Think about it.

Oh, I think about God and the universe we are in quite a bit.

I think that God, if He/She/It exists, and I believe that He/She/It does, is much greater, more magnificient, more awesome, more everything than we can begin to imagine, and much more so than what anyone could write in a book, be it the Bible, the Quran, the Torah, or the Book of Mormon.

[_ozemc]

Yes, I know. The point was that they believed that they were the center of it all. OK, so I said sun, instead of earth. Big Deal.

I rattled it off the top of my head, good grief. I guess if I had sat down and researched through the internet or whatever, I would have been technically correct.

But they didn't believe that the earth was flat.

Whatever.

SatanWasSetUp is right, the point I was trying to make was that we know now that those beliefs - whatever they were - are false.

And our court system in the 1980s and 1990s put many people in jail on false accusations of sexual abuse in day care centers.

And what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?

If you want to get real specific, let's talk about today.

Some people actually believe that the awesome, powerful, mysterious God of the universe, who created things we can't see or imagine, came down and talked to a teenage boy on this little planet.

This God, who creates stars, in our own galaxy, that are as big as the orbit of Saturn, just happened to decide that right then, and with that one boy, all of humanity could be somehow restored to the Gospel. Even though, if you believe it, that Gospel pretty much can stand on its own.

People actually believe that God, who created black holes, quasars, and galaxies millions of light years across really cares that they do or do not drink a cup of coffee in the morning. Or cares what sort of underwear they wear.

To be quite honest, that seems very limiting, and insulting, to God. Like trying to fit God into your own little, pre-conceived notion how or what He/She/It should be.

I'm a never LDS, so I'll let them answer.

[_richardMdBorn]

Richard And our court system in the 1980s and 1990s put many people in jail on false accusations of sexual abuse in day care centers.

Ozemc And what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?

Richard Our society has been wrong on important matters. Are we that different from the ancients? We have improved in certain things, but the 20th C totalitarians had a brutality which would have horrified many uncivilized ancients. Beware of falling into chronological snobbery.