Devoted to Insulting Mormons?

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Post by _beastie »

beastie wrote:
Given that rcrocket recently called me a sociopath, I would say the insults go in both directions.



There are times when the lines between an accurate descriptor and an insult become blurred--not that this is necessarily the case here. ;-)

But, I am all for erroring on the side of caution, and think that all would be better served to avoid remarks that may be considered insulting by either side.

Even still, while a single drip of water is comparable in one way to the massive flow of a fire hose (they both entail movement of water), in other ways the comparison seems absurd. I would suggest that the same is true for insults going both directions on this board. It is one thing to bring up a single example of a personalized insult (and I am aware that others could be noted as well), and quite another to find numerous and frequent insults leveled here against an entire class of people. The former may be in bad taste, but the later is...well, I'll let you answer that for yourself. I certainly don't want to be falsely accused of insulting on a thread about not insulting. :-0


Wade,

You have always been extremely obtuse about your own behavior. I was just looking at some Z archives and happened upon this old favorite - the thread wherein you called Roger a bigot, and then spent pages denying you had done so.

http://p079.ezboard.com/fpacumenispages ... =1&stop=25

Wade, to Roger, who had just provided very calm and noninsulting observations about wade's "anti-bigotry initiative":


That is odd. My generic definitions of "bigotry" and "religious bigotry" make no reference to "anti's" or "ex's", and that was intentional (not all "anti's" and "ex's" are bigots, and those that are, comprise but a subset of a much larger set). So, where you got that impression is anyone's guess, and certainly not from what I have said on this thread.

Could it be that you have tried on for size the generic definitional shoe, and are understandably quite uncomfotable with the perfectness of the fit, which in turn has caused you to scramble in a failed attempt at redefining the discomfort away?


When numerous posters pointed out how ludicrous it was to accuse Roger of being a bigot, Wade kept denying he had ever done so:

Not that this has any relevance to the NON-PERSONAL subject of this thread, I am not sure who or what you have in mind. Hopefully, you were not referring to my rhetorical QUESTION, because for my part, the answer was left unmentioned and even open. It was also repeatedly tabled for another time and a more appropriate location (one where discussion of personal issues are not against board rules).


Please refrane from cluttering this NON-PERSONAL thread with these kinds of irrelevant and PERSONALIZED comments.


And, in fact, he continued to insist on other threads, referencing this one, that he had made no personal attack, no insult:

http://p079.ezboard.com/fpacumenispages ... =428.topic

Sr correctly pointed out:
sr: I have been here little over the last few months. But I can offer an example. You use the term "Bigot" to namecall. The way you use this word causes me to believe you are using the most vile term you can use to convey your disgust and hatred. It is a much harsher term that something such as "cultist". Is that just my perception? Perhaps, but it is a real perception nonetheless.


wade's response:

Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. While it is true that I have used the term "bigot" over the last several months, it was in a thread where I solicited NON-PERSONALIZED discussions on my GENERIC definition of the term. I don't recall even once calling anyone a "bigot"--though I did suggest that several participants had made comments that appeared to be fundamentalistic and authoritarian in nature. So, that isn't really evidence of my supposed "bitterness" or "hatred" or "dusgust".


Wade, your first challenge is to begin recognizing your own behavior. Until and unless you do that, and continue to engage in mental obfuscations that hide your own behavior from self-recognition, all this obsessing about the behavior of others is nothing but one more self-smoke screen.
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Post by _Mercury »

wenglund wrote:
Mercury wrote: You merely just discount an opinion because of what you percieve as insulting but shuld instead look at why you are disliked. Since you will not do this you will not grow.


You are clearly confused. I wasn't discounting any opinion (there is a massive difference between discounting opinions and assessing the value and efficacy of insults here--not that you may know).

And, I happen to be very interested in why I, as an LDS, am disliked by people like you. Your attitude and behavior towards me and my faith have been very instructive, and has caused me to grow. By seeing just how unwittingly self-discrediting and repelling your attitude and behavior is, and the dysfunction that may be driving it, it makes me want to avoid as best as possible doing or being the same. You have given me great incentive to better myself so as not to be like you. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


It has not helped you grow. As far as I see it you are a lost cause, forever hating yourself because of your "sexual attraction disorder". If anything I pity you.

Its helped you become bitter. When others made fun of my beliefs while I still held onto the farce of Mormonism I examined WHY they were so adamantly opposed to what I thought was truth at the time. You fail to do this. Instead your cognitive dissonance is increased.

Its sad really that you are locked into a perpetual need to discount the overwhelming majority of people who see you and other Mormons as the nutballs you are. You will die alone, no one will mourn you and for that I think you will deserve it. Bigots should not be mourned.
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Post by _wenglund »

Mercury wrote:
wenglund wrote:
Mercury wrote: You merely just discount an opinion because of what you percieve as insulting but shuld instead look at why you are disliked. Since you will not do this you will not grow.


You are clearly confused. I wasn't discounting any opinion (there is a massive difference between discounting opinions and assessing the value and efficacy of insults here--not that you may know).

And, I happen to be very interested in why I, as an LDS, am disliked by people like you. Your attitude and behavior towards me and my faith have been very instructive, and has caused me to grow. By seeing just how unwittingly self-discrediting and repelling your attitude and behavior is, and the dysfunction that may be driving it, it makes me want to avoid as best as possible doing or being the same. You have given me great incentive to better myself so as not to be like you. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


It has not helped you grow. As far as I see it you are a lost cause, forever hating yourself because of your "sexual attraction disorder". If anything I pity you.

Its helped you become bitter. When others made fun of my beliefs while I still held onto the farce of Mormonism I examined WHY they were so adamantly opposed to what I thought was truth at the time. You fail to do this. Instead your cognitive dissonance is increased.

Its sad really that you are locked into a perpetual need to discount the overwhelming majority of people who see you and other Mormons as the nutballs you are. You will die alone, no one will mourn you and for that I think you will deserve it. Bigots should not be mourned.


I seem to be further aggitating you insecurities through my interactions with you. That is counterproductive, and so I will step aside and let you ride the downward cycle of verbal violence on your own.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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Post by _Mercury »

wenglund wrote:
Mercury wrote:
wenglund wrote:
Mercury wrote: You merely just discount an opinion because of what you percieve as insulting but shuld instead look at why you are disliked. Since you will not do this you will not grow.


You are clearly confused. I wasn't discounting any opinion (there is a massive difference between discounting opinions and assessing the value and efficacy of insults here--not that you may know).

And, I happen to be very interested in why I, as an LDS, am disliked by people like you. Your attitude and behavior towards me and my faith have been very instructive, and has caused me to grow. By seeing just how unwittingly self-discrediting and repelling your attitude and behavior is, and the dysfunction that may be driving it, it makes me want to avoid as best as possible doing or being the same. You have given me great incentive to better myself so as not to be like you. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


It has not helped you grow. As far as I see it you are a lost cause, forever hating yourself because of your "sexual attraction disorder". If anything I pity you.

Its helped you become bitter. When others made fun of my beliefs while I still held onto the farce of Mormonism I examined WHY they were so adamantly opposed to what I thought was truth at the time. You fail to do this. Instead your cognitive dissonance is increased.

Its sad really that you are locked into a perpetual need to discount the overwhelming majority of people who see you and other Mormons as the nutballs you are. You will die alone, no one will mourn you and for that I think you will deserve it. Bigots should not be mourned.


I seem to be further aggitating you insecurities through my interactions with you. That is counterproductive, and so I will step aside and let you ride the downward cycle of verbal violence on your own.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Yes...my "insecurities". Tell me Mr McTherapist, diagnose my insecurities. Specifically. Come on, how are my insecurities made evident?
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Post by _moksha »

Mercury and Wade, you need a third member who can go "Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk". Maybe if Bond isn't busy....
In the mean time, don't poke each others eyes out.
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