Is Harry Reid Now Moving Toward Official Church Discipline?

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Valentinus wrote:I am so grateful that nowhere in the TR interview is this question implied:

"Does your political leanings and principles stand in harmony with the same leanings and principles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?"


In a bcspace world it does:

"do you affiliate with any organization whose teachings are contrary tothe teachings of the Church?"

"Erm...yes...I'm a Democrat..."
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Drifting wrote:
Valentinus wrote:I am so grateful that nowhere in the TR interview is this question implied:

"Does your political leanings and principles stand in harmony with the same leanings and principles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?"


In a bcspace world it does:

"do you affiliate with any organization whose teachings are contrary tothe teachings of the Church?"

"Erm...yes...I'm a Democrat..."

In Hungary, the case is more difficult.

We have two right wing party:
- Christian Democratic People's Party (Kereszténydemokrata Néppárt, KDNP)
- Hungarian Civic Union (Fidesz, Magyar Polgári Szövetség) is a major national conservative political party in Hungary. Their original name was: FIDESZ, comes from Alliance of Young Democrats (Fiatal Demokraták Szövetsége) - unfortunately they have became older, so the word "young" must have been eliminated...

by the way these two have 2/3 majority, so they can build something mixture of fascism and socialism. Our prime minister is called - europawide - MiniDuce.
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Tobin wrote:And the whole idea that Reid is going to be disciplined by the Church for outsmarting Romney is ludicrous. We need more Mormons in the Church like Harry Reid and fewer like Mitt Romney.


and there's no doubt that the brethren in Salt Lake would include themselves in that 'we' (at least the sharper and more high ranking among them).

conservative stuffed-suit politicians like Romney are a-dime-a-dozen within Mormonism, so it's people like Reid and Echo Hawk who (due to their scarcity) are far more valuable to Church HQ in terms of managing their public image. in the same way that the GOP needs a few token African-Americans in their tent to insulate them from charges of racism, the church knows they need a few high profile Democrats within the ranks. additionally, new converts today (just as in the 19th century) are drawn largely from the poorer classes. and these folks, whether in the US or abroad, are more likely to have politics that align with labor rather than capital.
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are drawn largely from the poorer classes. and these folks, whether in the US or abroad, are more likely to have politics that align with labor rather than capital.


From any one here who has created and provided jobs. Id sure love to know how  labor can exist without capital first.  Should I just wait for Harry to explain it?
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palerobber wrote:
conservative stuffed-suit politicians like Romney are a-dime-a-dozen within Mormonism, so it's people like Reid and Echo Hawk who (due to their scarcity) are far more valuable to Church HQ in terms of managing their public image.

Yes. Wasn't that the entire point of the "I'm a Mormon" advertising campaign? Pointing out the diversity of the membership?
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Joey wrote:From any one here who has created and provided jobs. Id sure love to know how  labor can exist without capital first.  Should I just wait for Harry to explain it?

It's kind of a chicken/egg thing, isn't it? You can't usually start a business without startup capital, you can't sustain a business without people to buy your product, and you can't create any goods or services without labor to do the work.

So which one of the three legs of a stool is the most important? Obviously they are all equally necessary.

That's kind of the point of the "you didn't do it by yourself" narrative that got people so riled up.
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Joey wrote:
are drawn largely from the poorer classes. and these folks, whether in the US or abroad, are more likely to have politics that align with labor rather than capital.


From any one here who has created and provided jobs. Id sure love to know how  labor can exist without capital first.  Should I just wait for Harry to explain it?


how is that relevant to the LDS church's missionary efforts of which i was writing?
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Joey wrote:From any one here who has created and provided jobs. Id sure love to know how  labor can exist without capital first.  Should I just wait for Harry to explain it?


So are you talking in terms of theoretical categories, or are you suggesting that private property must exist before people can exert their muscles in getting things accomplished?
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Droopy, do you think Republican National Committee Chair Reince Priebus is maybe an anti-Mormon bigot?

i'd like to think not, but what else could be motivating him to personally attack and obstensibly lie repeatedly about a devout Mormon like Harry Reid? after all, there's no way Priebus coud know whether or not Reid was really tipped off to Romney not paying any taxes.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Joey wrote:From any one here who has created and provided jobs. Id sure love to know how  labor can exist without capital first.  Should I just wait for Harry to explain it?


So are you talking in terms of theoretical categories, or are you suggesting that private property must exist before people can exert their muscles in getting things accomplished?


I'm not sure what you are specifically referring to with:  "getting things accomplished".

But "having capital" is not dependent upon "having labor".

"Having labor", however, is dependent upon having (or providing) capital.  I've signed the front side of paychecks long enough to know. 
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