Is Harry Reid Now Moving Toward Official Church Discipline?

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palerobber wrote:Droopy, do you think Republican National Committee Chair Reince Priebus is maybe an anti-Mormon bigot?

i'd like to think not, but what else could be motivating him to personally attack and obstensibly lie repeatedly about a devout Mormon like Harry Reid? after all, there's no way Priebus coud know whether or not Reid was really tipped off to Romney not paying any taxes.


......a devout Mormon like Harry Reid


Hmmm.  How can Reid be a "devout" Mormon when he openly and publicly supports teachings (gay marriage) which are in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Mormon Prophet?  This is a new one for me!
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Joey wrote:Hmmm.  How can Reid be a "devout" Mormon when he openly and publicly supports teachings (gay marriage) which are in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Mormon Prophet?  This is a new one for me!


Again......

Thomas S. Monson named as new LDS Church president

Regarding another question about whether church members could disagree with the faith's opposition to legalizing same-sex unions and still remain in good standing, he said the answer "depends on what the disagreement is."

"If it's an apostasy situation, that would not be appropriate. If it's something political, there is room for opinion here and there on either side."
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Joey wrote:I'm not sure what you are specifically referring to with:  "getting things accomplished".

But "having capital" is not dependent upon "having labor".

"Having labor", however, is dependent upon having (or providing) capital.  I've signed the front side of paychecks long enough to know. 


You still haven't answered my question.

I should add that I detest seeing the world through market theories.
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Darth J wrote:
Joey wrote:Hmmm. How can Reid be a "devout" Mormon when he openly and publicly supports teachings (gay marriage) which are in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Mormon Prophet? This is a new one for me!

"If it's an apostasy situation, that would not be appropriate. If it's something political, there is room for opinion here and there on either side."

I think the key sticking point for Joey might be the "openly and publicly" part.

The transgression that is truly "next to murder" in seriousness appears to be Embarrassing the Brethren by making opposing views known publicly.

On the other hand, the debate over marriage equality is a really minor one. It's no more than an argument about what to call a committed relationship. Promoting marriage equality for gays is not promoting gay sex. That will happen with or without using the word "marriage" to describe two committed partners.
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You still haven't answered my question.


I wasn't avoiding it - I merely asked for clarification to respond more articulately.  

Again, I'm not sure what you are specifically referring to with:  "getting things accomplished".  If you would elaborate I might understand your question better in a response.

I should add that I detest seeing the world through market theories.


Then I would suggest two things:

First, don't wear binders. Those of us who have entrepreneurial passions, put capital at risk,  and need to understand them certainly don't have them built into our vision prescription for living in  and enjoying the beauty of this world. We just have multi-vision!

Second, take the safe route and be an employee - don't venture to be an employer!!  You will detest the whole effort of creating jobs and a business!  Market theories can be a bitch if you don't understand, and have practical experience within, their dynamic relevance!

I think the key sticking point for Joey might be the "openly and publicly" part.


Precisely.  I believe Reid's sudden change for support of gay marriage were personal, based on his conversations with his family and not based on politics.  At least from his press conference.

Similarly, can members now openly and publicly support polygamy for political reasons and remain temple rec holders?
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Romney has taken political lying to a whole new level, practically a form of art. I don't see how he could honestly qualify for a temple recommend.
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Joey wrote:Then I would suggest two things:

First, don't wear binders. Those of us who have entrepreneurial passions, put capital at risk,  and need to understand them certainly don't have them built into our vision prescription for living in  and enjoying the beauty of this world. We just have multi-vision!

Second, take the safe route and be an employee - don't venture to be an employer!!  You will detest the whole effort of creating jobs and a business!  Market theories can be a bitch if you don't understand, and have practical experience within, their dynamic relevance!


Hey, Joey-

I would suggest some things to you:

Your vision of the world is a latecomer to the scene. It is not a natural, God-given state of affairs. Humankind existed long before "capital" and "labor." Don't be so enamored of the power of your particular metaphors and hermeneutics that you arrogantly believe that they represent "reality."

So, drop the missionary BS. I don't have to buy into your two-bit philosophy to start a business and risk "capital." You are so full of your own crap that you can hardly see straight. The simple truth of the matter is that many businesses are built with borrowed "capital" and make lots of money by offloading the "externalities" that in a just system would tank any of them in short order.

You can enjoy your life wearing the blinders of your implicit "capitalism is God" philosophy, but I hope one day people recognize it for the destructive lie that it is before the planet is destroyed by the feckless robbers who shill this BS.
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Joey wrote:
Hmmm.  How can Reid be a "devout" Mormon when he openly and publicly supports teachings (gay marriage) which are in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Mormon Prophet?  This is a new one for me!

Can a Mormon support laws under which the sale and consumption of coffee, tea, alcohol, and tobacco are allowed? Can a Mormon support the legalization of marijuana? Can a Mormon support the repeal of laws against adultery? If you are arguing that a Mormon should not enjoy full fellowship while supporting laws that allow gay marriage, because gay marriage is against Mormon teachings, then why should a Mormon enjoy full fellowship if supporting laws that allow the sale and consumption of coffee and tea? I think Monson was articulating (however clumsily and cryptically) the principle that a Mormon's standing in the church is not based on the Mormon's political stance, but rather on personal beliefs and habits. So, a Mormon can be n good standing and support public policies that extend marriage recognition to gays and lesbians. But a Mormon cannot eneter into a gay marriage and expect to maintain full fellowship.
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Hey, Joey-

I would suggest some things to you:

Your vision of the world is a latecomer to the scene. It is not a natural, God-given state of affairs. Humankind existed long before "capital" and "labor." Don't be so enamored of the power of your particular metaphors and hermeneutics that you arrogantly believe that they represent "reality."

So, drop the missionary BS. I don't have to buy into your two-bit philosophy to start a business and risk "capital." You are so full of your own crap that you can hardly see straight. The simple truth of the matter is that many businesses are built with borrowed "capital" and make lots of money by offloading the "externalities" that in a just system would tank any of them in short order.

You can enjoy your life wearing the blinders of your implicit "capitalism is God" philosophy, but I hope one day people recognize it for the destructive lie that it is before the planet is destroyed by the feckless robbers who shill this BS.


And Third:  I would seriously suggest some anger management counseling.  

I get the impression that you may be unemployed or have a serious resentment for those who are proud to invest in providing jobs.  Anyway, hope it all works out for you.  Still looking for clarification on your question if you were serious about a response.

Up here in Utah on my annual pilgrimage for the Tour De Utah.  Sponsoring a team again.  I love this sport and this event.  Some of the best routes for rides.  But capitalism is responsible for funding this event so the devil must be near!!!
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Joey wrote:Hmmm.  How can Reid be a "devout" Mormon when he openly and publicly supports teachings (gay marriage) which are in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Mormon Prophet?  This is a new one for me!

Well, equality answered that question quite thoroughly, I think. But why are you asking some nobodies on an internet forum, anyway? Go ask your bishop, see what he says.
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