ldsfaqs wrote:hobo1512 wrote:Maybe in your so called research, you missed this definition
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a person who willingly suffers death rather than renounce his or her religion. Shooting back does not make a person "willing" now does it?
Your research is the "so-called" research.
Oh boy, you got me there, now didn't you, how will I survive.Joseph most certainly "willingly" died for his beliefs rather than renouncing them. Thus you pervert.
Second, you quote only "one" aspect of the definition of a Martyr. Thus, you again pervert.
Shooting back, and running away is not "Willingly". Talk to the real martyr's like those that were fed to the lions, and see who "WILLINGLY" accepted their fate you nitwit.2. The TWO men hit by Joseph's gun while defending himself & those with him were in fact VERY MUCH ALIVE when they stood trial & had witnesses testify against them, papers even reporting they were alive.
Maybe you should read your own church history, where Elder Reed Blake states that one of the men did in fact die from the wounds inflicted by Smith.
You quoting anti-mormons who have quote-mined some statement from an LDS book doesn't mean YOU actually read LDS history.
Further, I need you to quote from me that statement, because I'm not even finding ANY anti-mormons making this claim. They all claim two were killed, and all the legit scholarship demonstrates that all three men got new suits from fellow anti's, and they fled the county.
It's possible one did eventually die from complications due to his wounds. But, he clearly lived well for sometime after the event. Plus, who cares? Joseph shot people in self defense. Or don't you believe in self defense? Mormons do you know...
So, if you shoot someone today, and they die months later, you don't think you committed murder? It is still murder. It doesn't matter how long it takes someone to die from the injury. You need to be committed yourself. Also, are you calling and LDS Elder anti-mormon, and a liar? I thought you were trying to defend the morg?Anyway, quote this book for me..... Not a single website pro or con makes your claim. You realize not EVERYTHING is on the net right, but here you go.
"Two other men were known to get hit in the hall, one a man named Townsend from Fort Madison, Iowa Territory, who died nine months later from the arm wound that wouldn't heal, and another named Mills, who was shot in the arm."
- Elder Reed Blake, 24 Hours to Martyrdom, p. 129 3. Someone of "ethnic" background can certainly testify if they have seen racism in the Church. Further, there are plenty of blacks within the Church that will testify the same. There are videos on the net, and I've met plenty in person.
If there are so many people of "ethnic background" that can testify, why didn't they use just one? Keep shooting yourself in the foot little buddy. You will run out of toes soon enough
So a Mexican/Hispanic in the video making the comments isn't "ethnic" enough for you???
Not when it comes to Blacks and the priesthood. Why didn't they use any black folk? The doctrine had nothing to do with Mexican's or Hispanics did it? You are just trying to reinforce their lies.I've just proven you a liar by each of your claims with the actual facts. You haven't shown a fact yet....LOL
Why do you follow anti-mormon propaganda as if it's the actual truth? Your own church history is anti Mormon propoganda? That is good to know.
After all, a simple unequivocal FACT of if Joseph killed someone or not proves unequivocally that the ideology you follow is not from truth, but from perversion and evil. Further, you don't even get the number right, you say "one" when it was "two". So, you're a frigging liar in every degree. Oh, you poor disturbed little individual. You're the idiot that brought up the number two. Is math really that difficult for you. I said he killed 1. Read your church history you moron. Better yet, read the book by Elder Reed Blake (he's on your side) called 24 hours to Martyrdom. Again, it is in the History of the Mormon church, so I suggest you read it before you start calling people names you meaningless little know nothing pisant. Yes, that was a personal attack, just in case the mods were wondering.
Proof that anti-mormons aren't interested in the actual truth, but only in their hate and bigotry Truth is truth, sorry if you can't handle it.
By the way, when can you get your meds refilled? I think you're running low.
Ranting and making false charges doesn't bode well that you are based in truth.
by the way, I mistyped, it was actually "three" who got hit by Joseph's bullets, 3 shots three hit.
And another thing. I'm a Mormon because I actually love the truth. And I'm not an anti-mormon anymore like you because of that fact also.