Misconceptions about the Mormon Church (U.K.)

[_Tobin]

Stephen Kerr is missing out a lot of verifiable history in his discussion of polygamy at the same time as forgetting to mention that actually polygamy is an important part of LDS theology in terms of the afterlife, specifically the Celestial Kingdom. If this is aimed at non-mormons then I believe his leaving out of critical information to be very disingenuous. Investigators have a right to know what Mormon Theology is, even if it is not being practiced at this present time.

That's garbage. Polygamy is not essential to the afterlife or the Celestial Kingdom. In fact, LDS theology is, if you read the Book of Mormon, that it is in general a sin.

[_ludwigm]

I actually know for sure who tells the truth and who isn't when comparing the two sides.

How do you 'know for sure' who tells the truth?
(As opposed to 'believing you know' who tells the truth)

For example, how do you know for sure that Joseph Smith saw God and Christ in person?

... then Elias and Elijah ... (in the temple at Kirtland, Ohio, 3 April 1836 - see History of the Church, 2:435–36)


He could have met with Mark Twain and Samuel Langhorne Clemens.
He could have read works of Boz and Charles Dickens.

[_Mary]

Tobin said:

That's garbage. Polygamy is not essential to the afterlife or the Celestial Kingdom. In fact, LDS theology is, if you read the Book of Mormon, that it is in general a sin.

Nice strawman there Tobin. Here's what I said:

polygamy is an important part of LDS theology in terms of the afterlife

Did I say anywhere that it was ESSENTIAL that every single person practice polygamy...and you and I both know that there are men alive today in the leadership that are sealed to more than one woman... Who are they going to be married to in the CK Tobin under LDS theology? Answer me that. Grief.

[_Mary]

No wonder there are so many 'bloody' misconceptions when even LDS apologists like Tobin don't want to admit what their own theology is... Be proud of it Tobin, or get rid of it.

[_Molok]

No wonder there are so many 'bloody' misconceptions when even LDS apologists like Tobin don't want to admit what their own theology is... Be proud of it Tobin, or get rid of it.

Tobin isn't a real Mormon, Mary. Like Nightlion, he has largely invented his own version of LDS theology, which he assures you is the "real" version.

[_Drifting]

Tobin said:

That's garbage. Polygamy is not essential to the afterlife or the Celestial Kingdom. In fact, LDS theology is, if you read the Book of Mormon, that it is in general a sin.

Nice strawman there Tobin. Here's what I said:

polygamy is an important part of LDS theology in terms of the afterlife

Did I say anywhere that it was ESSENTIAL that every single person practice polygamy...and you and I both know that there are men alive today in the leadership that are sealed to more than one woman... Who are they going to be married to in the CK Tobin under LDS theology? Answer me that. Grief.

Tobin seems to have forgotten that Mormon God gave the following information with regards to the eternal importance of Celestial Marriage - which at the time Joseph received it was referring to having multiple wives.

For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

[_Tobin]

Tobin said:

That's garbage. Polygamy is not essential to the afterlife or the Celestial Kingdom. In fact, LDS theology is, if you read the Book of Mormon, that it is in general a sin.

Nice strawman there Tobin. Here's what I said:

polygamy is an important part of LDS theology in terms of the afterlife

I fail to see the distinction. What is important about it as long as you are grasping at straws?

Did I say anywhere that it was ESSENTIAL that every single person practice polygamy...and you and I both know that there are men alive today in the leadership that are sealed to more than one woman... Who are they going to be married to in the CK Tobin under LDS theology? Answer me that. Grief.

And there have been men sealed to men, women sealed to women, and multiple men sealed to the same woman. I guess that means that many other kinds of relationships are important to Mormon doctrine as well. I find such practices hardly indicative of what may or may not be important in the afterlife however. The more likely answer is that they are not however.

[_Tobin]

No wonder there are so many 'bloody' misconceptions when even LDS apologists like Tobin don't want to admit what their own theology is... Be proud of it Tobin, or get rid of it.

Tobin isn't a real Mormon, Mary. Like Nightlion, he has largely invented his own version of LDS theology, which he assures you is the "real" version.

I think you hardly qualify as a judge of what is really representative of Mormonism or not. If my responses are reasonable and consistent with Mormon scriptures and doctrine, I fail to see why she should not respond to my questions and defend her assertions.

[_SteelHead]

They aren't Tobin (your response aren't in line with Mormon doctrine and scripture).

D&C 132

3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

5 For all who will have a blessing at my hands shall abide the law which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.

6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.

Practice polygamy or be damned. That is Mormon doctrine and scripture.

[_Tobin]

They aren't Tobin.

D&C 132
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Practice polygamy or be damned. That is Mormon doctrine and scripture.

Then virtually all Mormons alive today are damned according to you. I think that bar and distorted interpretation may be a tad bit absurd don't you?