Holland doubles down on Adam and Eve... Hey BC!?

[_ZelphtheGreat]

Adam and Eve were real and lived in Missouri. You can can visit Missouri. Even visit the altar Adam personally built in Missouri.

See, proves it... right?

[_No_Hidden_Agenda]

Clarification of this statement or reconciliation with science is not essential for your salvation, so just believe mmkay?

Of course, it is on the list of reasons why I CAN'T believe, so it is very important to my salvation if Mormonism is true...

[_grindael]

I love Mormonism. One can simply throw out all of the ridiculous crap that former "prophets" taught as absolute truth and make up whatever you want to justify doing so. The built on sand analogy comes to mind here with full force.

[_SteelHead]

There will be many willing to accept the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think the explanation is that the humanoid pre-adamites weren't "human". They had animal spirits that looked "human", but they weren't spirit children of God. So Adam was the first "human" with a real human spirit.

It's simply wonderful and wonderfully simple.

There's so much emphasis in Genesis 2-3 about the knowledge of good and evil, that my personal opinion is that Adam and Eve were the first two humans who really understood the difference between good and evil; before them all humans (or near-humans) were innocent, in the same way that children younger than eight are innocent. So, yes, the humans before Adam and Eve would look human; in many ways they were human, but they hadn't advanced to the point of understanding the difference between good and evil.

So God finds two people who have the potential of understanding the difference between good and evil, and puts them in a garden, and gives them immortality until they partake of the fruit of the tree, at which point God takes their immortality away from them? That's a possibility, I guess. Although, unlike Holland, I don't really see the need for there to have been the immortality in the first place. I respect Holland, so if he tells me there was immortality I'll try to believe that, but like I said, I don't really see the need.

Worth it! Sending SLC my 10%! ;)

-V/R
Dr. Cam "Reporting in from the Walasi-Yi Inn" NC4Me

[_bcspace]

Did he not say he didn't know what happened on Earth before the fall, except there was no human death?

Your pre-adamite theory just took an ecclesiastical hit.

How so? I've always said there was no death before the Fall.

[_bcspace]

I think the explanation is that the humanoid pre-adamites weren't "human". They had animal spirits that looked "human", but they weren't spirit children of God. So Adam was the first "human" with a real human spirit.

It's simply wonderful and wonderfully simple.

It's only one possibility meant to explain why homo sapiens have been around for more than 250,000 years without developing civilization until recently. The 1931 statement allows for the existence of preAdamite races of man; fully intelligent or otherwise.

[_bcspace]

This is one of the primary LDS anti-evolution arguments as well. Death before The Fall negates The Atonement, therefore if Jesus and the Church are true then science is wrong. If science is wrong and opposed to the Church it is because science is inspired by and a tool of the adversary.

It's not a valid argument imho. What would cripple the need for the Atonement is if the Fall had never taken place. That death existed before the garden state is neither here nor there.

[_bcspace]

Clarification of this statement or reconciliation with science is not essential for your salvation, so just believe mmkay?

Of course, it is on the list of reasons why I CAN'T believe, so it is very important to my salvation if Mormonism is true...

And since evolution is not in conflict with LDS creation doctrine, you can cross it off your list.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

BC Space is the authority on official doctrine. If Holland contradicted BC Space, then Holland is wrong.

But is Holland wrong as a man or an Apostle of the Lord® ?