tapirrider wrote:I disagree. I saw an episode on House where the LDS doctor ripped into House for something he said about being Mormon and it really was a very good scene. That Mormon doctor was Black, too. That is just one example, there are too many for me to even count. Also the general opinion in the United States of LDS members is of a very decent, hard working people with good moral values. FAQS seems to be looking for offense where there is none.
I remember being a bit concerned when they brought up that character's religion. As I expected, House was pretty brutal in his mocking of his beliefs, but as you say, the writers did a great job of humanizing the character, and he ended up making House look foolish.
My favorite portrayal of a Mormon in popular television is the Mormon PR man on Frasier, who prompts this line, "Well, when there's a dirty job to be done, you can't go wrong with a Mormon."
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ldsfaqs wrote:2. And that really shows how utterly ignorant you are. The Book of Mormon doesn't slander natives at all, in fact many times over THEY are the Righteous people, not the Nephites (who by the way were also mostly natives also). At the end, the Nephites are the ones destroyed for their wickedness, while the Lamanites are the ones who lived. Further, if you actually had any sort of comprehension of the Book of Mormon, you would know that the term Lamanite in the Book of Mormon primarily refers to the Book of Mormon's version of the Bibles "Gentile". It was a social political term in most instances, NOT a particular "race" or otherwise.
Right, the Book of Mormon turns native Americans into Jews who practice 19th century christianity. I don't see what the problem is either, the natives should be happy to have that kind of representation!
Runtu wrote:My favorite portrayal of a Mormon in popular television is the Mormon PR man on Frasier, who prompts this line, "Well, when there's a dirty job to be done, you can't go wrong with a Mormon."
LOL. My favorite was the episode of Cheers where Rebecca says "Why can't more men send flowers?" and Sam responds "I didn't know Mormons couldn't send flowers."
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ldsfaqs wrote:1. So I'm "sensitive" simply because I'm addressing something over the top, while you all are not sensitive for all the things you all complain about over and over again, which are nothing more than your own fantasy's, not actual reality and actual problems?
2. And that really shows how utterly ignorant you are. The Book of Mormon doesn't slander natives at all, in fact many times over THEY are the Righteous people, not the Nephites (who by the way were also mostly natives also). At the end, the Nephites are the ones destroyed for their wickedness, while the Lamanites are the ones who lived. Further, if you actually had any sort of comprehension of the Book of Mormon, you would know that the term Lamanite in the Book of Mormon primarily refers to the Book of Mormon's version of the Bibles "Gentile". It was a social political term in most instances, NOT a particular "race" or otherwise.
Anyway, your distorted negative fantasy's of Mormonism is not actual Mormonism. We know our religion, we know our book FAR better than you, and especially as it compares with the Bible, which has near exact similar "color" theams. Wickedness and Righteousness has ALWAYS been using "color" symbolism to describe it.
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You are being too sensitive for complaining about a trash tv show. So what if it portrays Mormons in a way you don't like? Its just a show. Get over it.
On the other hand, your Book of Mormon makes claims about American Indians that are racist and wrong. It most certainly slanders them FAQS. 1 Nephi 13 very clearly spells out that god's spirit was with the Europeans and his wrath was on America's indigenous peoples and they lost their lands because of their wickedness, the lands becoming the new promised land for Europeans. Your statement that the Lamanites are the ones who lived leaves out what happened, you left out that prophesy in 1 Nephi 13.
So while you complain about a trash TV show, you actually believe that American Indians deserved to lose their lives, up to 90% of their population, through deaths by disease and human committed atrocities from those of European descent, because as the Book of Mormon teaches, the lands are reserved for those who worship your god. Their wickedness in the final pages of the Book of Mormon later brought their own destruction beginning in 1492. That is what your Book of Mormon teaches and that is what is taught in correlated curriculum manuals.
But that doesn't bother you. You don't even consider it do you? Just throw your adolescent insults at me while you bitch about a stupid TV show. And where do you get off saying "we know our religion better than you"? Are you ignorant to the fact that it was my religion for 49 years? I lived it, attended meetings, held many positions, and taught it. Don't pretend to know more than someone you know nothing about.
Get over you wining about a stupid TV program. Your Book of Mormon teachings found in 1 Nephi 13 are morally condemnable. By the way, I noticed your comment on the Salt Lake Tribune article you linked me to and backtracked you to another comment you made about the Black church shooting. You have completely disgusted me after reading your racist spewing of sewer about Black people. Just like you disgusted me when you spewed your trash about homosexual men being child molesters and quoted from a known hate group.
I've had it with you calling me a liar, a bigot and all the other BS you have thrown around. Your church still teaches racism in the scripture I mentioned, your Book of Mormon slanders American Indians and at this point I have no further desire to communicate with you. You are nothing like the LDS members whom I am still very fond of even after I resigned. You certainly don't represent the majority of faithful members. In fact, I suspect you are an anti-Mormon yourself, not even a member. I think you stir up trouble to try to make the LDS church look bad, because that is what you are doing.
I never said anything wrong about the Black Church shooting. I also never say anything racist about "black people". I follow many black conservatives, and we are fully in agreement in beliefs and views. They certainly wouldn't call me racist.
You shouldn't confuse my condemnation of your liberalism, your perversion, etc. with being actual racism. YOU are the one committing black Genocide, that today more black babies are aborted in New York than are born. YOU are the one creating blacks to be poor with the Welfare State, overburdened illegal immigrating taking jobs many blacks could do to work on their lives and toward going forward, and on and on.
And spare me your ignorance about Homosexuality. They are not a "hate group". The truth and facts are not hate. Hate are the Westboro Baptist Church, not a group that studies the homosexual issue, and has religious values simply against it.
YOU are the hater..... You claim Mormonism "hates gays", yet, there isn't a single example of that in our teachings, theology, etc. Not believing in and wanting to support homosexuality, and wanting to protect marriage, is not hate, it's a different belief system.
I'm a convert to this church, and I left it and was anti-mormon and anti-religion, and I've lived all over it, and in many other religions and no religion. I know and see who hates. Your perversion, ignorance, and misrepresentation is not our hate. It's your own bigotry and intolerance. Just because I will not tolerate your willing bigotry and ignorance, is not me being a "bad" member. I just call you for what you are..... no different than the KKK or Fanatical Islam, or Anti-Semites. Anyone so utterly ignorant and stupid to call scripture that simply uses color symbolism in relation to righteousness and evil, or ones "countenance" and character, no different than the Bible, is without a doubt a bigot. Cry all you want..... If you don't like it, then stop falsely accusing LDS scripture of being racist.
Even the Jewish Anti-Defamation League has condemned several of your anti-mormon prophets works, the God Makers, the Jesus Vs. Joseph Smith video, on and on. And guess what, that INCLUDES your bulldonkey Book of Mormon is racist claims! Those of us in the real world, who actually study things, do not see racism in the Book of Mormon. What is even more funny, is that this bulldonkey racism claim and bad things against Indians in the Book of Mormon NEVER EXISTED until idiot Thomas Murphy came along..... Not a peep from anti-mormonism that I can recall having read near every anti-mormon book and near every anti-mormon website on this subject. Of course, I could be misremembering having read so much, but up until some 20 years ago, racism in the Book of Mormon certainly wasn't even if barely a blimp in anti-mormon claims, that I certainly don't remember it.
Mormonism all of a sudden became racist in the Book of Mormon when liberals had mastered their propaganda revisionist history campaign, gaining control of the country and dominant ideology and media the last 20 years. Before that, people actually understood scriptural color symbolism, because more people actually read books, especially the Bible.
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Wow LDSfaqs. That is really really awful post. Way over the top response.
Until this last post, I kind of thought you had a pretty good thread discussion...you were making some good points actually.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Mormonism all of a sudden became racist in the Book of Mormon when liberals had mastered their propaganda revisionist history campaign, gaining control of the country and dominant ideology and media the last 20 years.
The Book of Mormon was racist way before 1995.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
ldsfaqs wrote:Mormonism all of a sudden became racist in the Book of Mormon when liberals had mastered their propaganda revisionist history campaign, gaining control of the country and dominant ideology and media the last 20 years.
The Book of Mormon was racist way before 1995.
Yet you never heard it from anti-mormons.....
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ldsfaqs wrote:Mormonism all of a sudden became racist in the Book of Mormon when liberals had mastered their propaganda revisionist history campaign, gaining control of the country and dominant ideology and media the last 20 years.
The Book of Mormon was racist way before 1995.
But before the Internet how would faqs have been able to find out about it?
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