How big a problem is Denver Snuffer?

[_Nightlion]

Great article Lemuel. Yeah, it's a pretty obvious challenge: in small numbers, everyone can have revelations, but in large numbers it just doesn't work. If I recall correctly Quinn discussed the transition of the LDS church to one where leadership had to crack down on personal revelation.

Let's face it, any revelation is sheer BS. You can't have a group that moves in a thousand different directions because everyone is coming up with their own stuff. Someone's BS has to be taken as the standard and without any proof or objective measure whatsoever, and so it's a near miracle that churches can exist at all.

Even without external evidence, it would be a moderate challenge to critics if believers were getting the same message from God and cooperating.

Everyone can have revelations...if those revelations don't give me the right to tell you what to do.

A religion of participation trophies.
Milquetoast Mormonism

[_lemuel]

Everyone can have revelations...if those revelations don't give me the right to tell you what to do.

A religion of participation trophies.
Milquetoast Mormonism

But I'll let you tell me what to do any day bro. ;)

[_moksha]

Snuffer's appeal most likely is that he offers a more spiritual form of Mormonism. Also, Snuffer being a low key charismatic leader rather than a for-profit multinational corporation appeals to many potential Snufferites.

[_Nightlion]

Snuffer gives the people what they haven't had in a hundred years. A prophet. Meldrum fills a similar need.

Holland is giving it a honest try. Maybe he'd be a greater hit if he took the time to learn something about the church he is leading.

Unless snuffer has a BY set up to take over, I doubt the church will sustain much damage.

I'd love to hear the ward rumor mill regarding him, no doubt three Nephite style legends are building in the background pushing things along.

I have to disagree here. The people do not want a prophet. They want more false prophets that will justify them all the more. And anyone who feeds any and all people gobs of bread and all the real wine they can drink for sacrament without the discrimination Jesus commanded in 3 Nephi 18 proves they are false teachers and false prophets. This applies mostly to LDS leadership. The LDS do it for money but Denver does it for the praise of men.

[_Nightlion]

A religion of participation trophies.
Milquetoast Mormonism

But I'll let you tell me what to do any day bro. ;)

I have never told a single soul what to do save Jesus already commanded the same.

[_I have a question]

Before long, hundreds of like-minded seekers traveled to hear him speak — in St. George, Phoenix and Boise — and poured out of their respective LDS pews to form “fellowships,” or small groups, usually gathering in houses and yearning for, well, something more.

They were mostly super-Mormons, zealots who gave their all to the faith. They taught in the LDS Church Educational System or worked at church-owned Brigham Young University. They served in temples. They dissected the scriptures looking for potent but hidden clues to Jesus’ Second Coming or keys to salvation. Some devotees delved into holistic healing, piled up excessive food storage or launched apocalyptic preparations. Others found mainstream Mormon services too boring, too shallow to feed their spiritual hungering. They ached for more celestial manifestations, more holy works, more Holy Writ.

http://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/20 ... hips-last/

By some estimates, the schismatic movement now includes between 5,000 and 10,000 followers in 49 states and several countries — mostly former or current members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some have been disciplined by the church; others continue to participate in the Utah-based faith, while sneaking off to fellowships on the side.
On Labor Day weekend, Snuffer will be in Boise at what the group is calling a Doctrine of Christ Conference, where hundreds of voters are expected to canonize a new set of scriptures, including a reworking of Mormonism’s foundational text, the Book of Mormon, and its Doctrine and Covenants, a collection mostly of Smith’s revelatory writings.

The size of the issue seems to be less about the numbers, but the type of member being attracted.
These people aren't the lazy, the less active, the non tithe paying masses.

[_2bizE]

I think Snuffer's message is very intriguing to many LDS: that there is no need for priesthood leaders as the power of god is available withi all of us. People see the LDS leadership failing to meet the spiritual and doctrinal needs of the members. Rather than needing to pay tribute to 15 white, old, men who were all reared in racism in and out of church, people can be responsible for their own salvation.

[_zerinus]

https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/documents/6/60/Letter_about_apostasy_concern.pdf

"Roughly half of my Stake Presidents...have had, or are currently dealing with members drawn to Denver Snuffer."

Seems localised but significant.

Has he given an interview with John Dehlin by any chance?

[_lemuel]

https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/documents/6/60/Letter_about_apostasy_concern.pdf

"Roughly half of my Stake Presidents...have had, or are currently dealing with members drawn to Denver Snuffer."

Seems localised but significant.

Has he given an interview with John Dehlin by any chance?

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http://www.mormonstories.org/denver-snu ... en-christ/[/url]

[_zerinus]

Has he given an interview with John Dehlin by any chance?

http://www.mormonstories.org/denver-snuffer-a-progressive-fundamentalist-non-polygamist-mormon-who-claims-to-have-seen-christ/

Thank you. I thought he might have. Weird stuff. LOL!