Elder Cook claims other leaders believe Nelson is a Prophet

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Re: Elder Cook claims other leaders believe Nelson is a Prop

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Lol indeed, re world leaders. Elder Cook is playing fast and loose with the truth. Remember Nelson’s meeting with the Pope? From the thread here discussing it:

Lemmie wrote:This, including the links, was posted on md&d:
Here is the Pope's itinerary for the day.
http://press.vatican.va/content/salasta ... 0309a.html

And here is what the Vatican found newsworthy from that day.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news ... umans.html


Lemmie wrote:From the first md&d link:
Home > Bulletin > Pubblico > 2019 > 03

Audiences, 09.03.2019

This morning the Holy Father received in audience:

- H.E. Mr. Garen Nazarian, ambassador of Armenia, presenting his credential letters;

- His Eminence Cardinal Marc Ouellet, P.S.S., prefect of the Congregation for Bishops;

- His Eminence Cardinal Leonardo Sandri, prefect of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches.


Today the Pope will receive in audience:

- Mr. Russell M. Nelson, president of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints, and entourage;

- The Italian Cycling Federation.



http://press.vatican.va/content/salasta ... 0309a.html

and from the second, the Vatican news of the day:
Pope to Cyclists: Athletes bear witness to potential of the human being

Pope Francis on Saturday meets with those participating in the Annual Congress of the European Cycling Union, telling them they bear witness “to the potential of the human being, created in the image and likeness of God.”



Addressing the participants in the Annual Congress of the European Cycling Union, which on this occasion is also hosting the Assembly of the African Cycling Confederation, Pope Francis noted the strong relationship between Sport and the Church. He also emphasized how sport can foster excellence because it teaches perseverance, sacrifice, and self-denial. The Pope continued by saying that, “sport often becomes an opportunity to express with enthusiasm the joy of living and the true satisfaction of having crossed the finishing line.”

Cycling and its virtues

Turning his attention to the discipline of cycling, Pope Francis described how it is one of the sports that, “places emphasis on some virtues, such as patience, integrity, altruism and team spirit.” Indeed, he said, “if we consider road cycling – one of its most common forms – we can see how the whole team works together during the races.”

Sporting Values

During his address, the Pontiff alluded to the many cyclists who have given of their best in their careers combining the qualities of determination and solidarity. They have borne witness, the Pope underlined, to “the potential of the human being, created in the image and likeness of God, and the beauty of living in communion with others and with creation.” Athletes, he said, “have this extraordinary opportunity to communicate to everyone, especially young people, the positive values of life and the desire to devote it to the pursuit of high and noble goals.”

Pitfalls

But the Pope also drew attention to the fact that when the opposite happens “and sport becomes an end in itself, and the person an instrument at the service of other interests such as prestige and profit, then distortions appear that taint it. I am thinking, he said, of doping, dishonesty, disrespect for oneself and one’s opponents, and corruption.”

Concluding his words, Pope Francis stressed the importance of listening to and accompanying new generations, “without losing sight of the healthy traditions and popular culture that, in many countries of the world, accompanies cycling and its champions.”
[no mention of the meeting with mr.nelson]

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The Pope said the athletes “bear witness to the potential of human beings,” but he had no comment on whether he considered Nelson a “prophet.”
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Other leaders recognize that the Pope is the Pope, meaning the leader of the Roman Catholic Church, they may not recognize any claims about ecclistiastical authority, or that he has any valid claim to speak for god, but he is the leader of that organization. In the same way other leaders recognize "the prophet" as the leader of the Brighamite cum non polygamist branch of the LDS church. The Prophet being the title of the leader of the church, as the Pope is the title of the leader of the Roman Catholic Church.

One of these two leader's organization claims near a billion members. The other 15million.
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It's very simple. It's a lie. :razz:

One more lie for the Lord is always expected.
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Maksutov wrote:It's very simple. It's a lie. :razz:

One more lie for the Lord is always expected.


This sums it up nicely.
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Re: Elder Cook claims other leaders believe Nelson is a Prop

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Name them.
Or, maybe you can have him visit Mick Jagger and baptize him?
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Re: Elder Cook claims other leaders believe Nelson is a Prop

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SteelHead wrote:Other leaders recognize that the Pope is the Pope, meaning the leader of the Roman Catholic Church, they may not recognize any claims about ecclistiastical authority, or that he has any valid claim to speak for god, but he is the leader of that organization. In the same way other leaders recognize "the prophet" as the leader of the Brighamite cum non polygamist branch of the LDS church. The Prophet being the title of the leader of the church, as the Pope is the title of the leader of the Roman Catholic Church.

One of these two leader's organization claims near a billion members. The other 15million.

Recognition is one thing, but Cook’s statement didn’t seem to be referring to recognition of a title assigned by an organization:
“They leave having felt like they were with a prophet,” Elder Cook said.
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Re: Elder Cook claims other leaders believe Nelson is a Prop

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They likely believe he's a nice old guy who seeks piety, like any other religious person they meet. To Cook that just means prophet (he knows prophets don't really prophecy. They just act nice and try to sound like they are the bestest people in the world). For some reason Cook doesn't realize that the way they see Nelson is no different than the way they see every other religious leader out there. With that said, to clarify I wouldn't doubt some world leader runs into some religious leader and thinks, "Woe that guys a dick" (somebody out there after having met Nelson, under the right circumstances may even think Nelson's a dick). But no doubt with the tiny window of time they see each other, and all that they try to be nice, appear magnanimous and try to share some level of a "I'm particularly special" vibe--too much has a deleterious effect I'm sure.
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Re: Elder Cook claims other leaders believe Nelson is a Prop

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Lemmie wrote:

The Pope said the athletes “bear witness to the potential of human beings,” but he had no comment on whether he considered Nelson a “prophet.”


As someone who used to race bikes, often averaging 200 to 300 miles per week in training, I can safely say I've had more spiritual experiences cycling that in 50+ years of church.

Also interesting to note that competitive cycling, both professional and amateur, is a notoriously shady sport. But apparently one that is more noteworthy than a visit by Nelson.
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Re: Elder Cook claims other leaders believe Nelson is a Prop

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I have a question wrote:Is that claim accurate?

Does this really have to be verified? Elder Cook should be allowed some leeway for hyperbole when speaking to his own troops.
Lemmie wrote:The Pope said the athletes “bear witness to the potential of human beings,” but he had no comment on whether he considered Nelson a “prophet.”

It could be that the adversary erased any statements about President Nelson being a prophet in L'Osservatore Romano, or perhaps there was a shortage of electrons for the online edition that day.
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moksha wrote:
I have a question wrote:Is that claim accurate?

Does this really have to be verified? Elder Cook should be allowed some leeway for hyperbole when speaking to his own troops.

Not when he’s making the public claim that the Pope and other leaders believe Nelson is a Prophet as Mormons understand the term.
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