Chill daddy-o, I’m just telling you that there are almost no doctrinal discussions happening here. It’s all drama, all the time.Shulem wrote:
Yes, I am for real! No need to lecture me on what this board is about, you twit. Look, I've been a contributor of Mormon Discussions since the very first day Shades started his original board, many, many, years ago. I was Paul Osborne, one of the first to register an account on his new board.
So piss off.
I AM for real, and I have my own opinion. So deal with it.
We Do Not Support John Dehlin
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Especially when graced with your presence.Salvete wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:29 amChill daddy-o, I’m just telling you that there are almost no doctrinal discussions happening here. It’s all drama, all the time.Shulem wrote:
Yes, I am for real! No need to lecture me on what this board is about, you twit. Look, I've been a contributor of Mormon Discussions since the very first day Shades started his original board, many, many, years ago. I was Paul Osborne, one of the first to register an account on his new board.
So piss off.
I AM for real, and I have my own opinion. So deal with it.
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Not so. There are many, many, doctrinal threads on this board.
You are welcome to head up to the Celestial Forum and escape from the drama that is persistent down in the lower boards. But there are a great many doctrinal threads in Terrestrial if you'll just open your eyes and see.
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Don't think I don't see you.Canadiandude2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:18 amTruthfully I think most American Mo & Exmo influencers are kinda weird. I feel the same way about many of the people here in fact.
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Okay, but those are his peers. Let’s be honest here, John is a grifting wannabe celebrity activist life coach and any other sort of term you could apply to those women applies to him equally. If the online activities of those women render them not credible then neither is John by any stretch of the imagination.
This isn’t some amicus brief for some appellate court, it is simply a public warning.
But I don’t think it is “vague” and “emotional”, I think it sends a very clear message: Don’t be vulnerable or otherwise put yourself in a position to be exploited by John Dehlin. For a guy with a PhD in clinical psychology and trying to be *the* face of Ex-Mormons, that is a pretty specific and damning statement.
If I told you I didn’t feel safe with my therapist, would you say I was being vague and emotional? No, I know you wouldn’t. Why does it become so with these women?
If the signatories are talented women that are worthy of respect, why does the document ooze a lack of credibility? Because they didn’t go into explicit or forensic detail?
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Oh my goodness, that is such a sexist thing to say. Wow. You have just completely disregarded the opinions of the vast majority of the women who signed the letter by stating that, as a man, you would wager that the majority of the signatures are solidarity expressions. You are acting in a very Mormon manner by saying that.
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Sure! And had I not spent hours upon hours dealing with Rosebud’s bizarre and slippery drama-mongering, I might be somewhat more sympathetic and less suspicious. Had I no further knowledge about the gripes of Kristy Money I would be more liable to lend credibility to her signature. Had I not witnessed the breathtaking hypocrisy of KK, who has done nothing less than crusade against JD, even using the Midnight Morons to do so, I would be significantly less cynical.DrStakhanovite wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:52 amOkay, but those are his peers. Let’s be honest here, John is a grifting wannabe celebrity activist life coach and any other sort of term you could apply to those women applies to him equally. If the online activities of those women render them not credible then neither is John by any stretch of the imagination.
Unfortunately, I know too much about some key elements behind this document, and those problems are fatally compromising to its credibility, in my opinion.
No, what it is is a thinly veiled smear campaign. If my kids start pointing fingers at each other, I hear out the accusations. I try to get to the bottom of what informs the emotional complaints. Often I find that people, even people I like and respect, are capable of using accusations in very self-serving and vindictive ways.This isn’t some amicus brief for some appellate court, it is simply a public warning.
It is vague inasmuch as it does not back up its position. As the reader, I want to know why he should not be trusted. If I know that the unstated answers to these questions are things like, “he paid me the same as his other podcasters and I wanted more,” or, “I never met the man in my life, but I support my friend who wanted higher pay,” then I see why they don’t provide any justification for claiming JD is “unsafe.” If they told us, they would start losing support pretty quickly. Better to leave that vague claim unsupported by any specifics with all of those signatures under it.But I don’t think it is “vague” and “emotional”, I think it sends a very clear message: Don’t be vulnerable or otherwise put yourself in a position to be exploited by John Dehlin. For a guy with a PhD in clinical psychology and trying to be *the* face of Ex-Mormons, that is a pretty specific and damning statement.
I find it appalling, frankly.
Because people are complicated and life is complicated. I love my parents and their politics frankly scare me. I completely disapprove of the campaign against JD, but I want Rosebud to be a happy, healthy, and successful person. I don’t care for a number of things JD does, but that does not mean that I have to approve of the campaigns to malign him publicly.If the signatories are talented women that are worthy of respect, why does the document ooze a lack of credibility? Because they didn’t go into explicit or forensic detail?
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Do you have the vapors now, Lowrance? Or is it that you always take every signature on any document at face value? Do you take the Book of Mormon witnesses at face value?Lowrance wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:54 amOh my goodness, that is such a sexist thing to say. Wow. You have just completely disregarded the opinions of the vast majority of the women who signed the letter by stating that, as a man, you would wager that the majority of the signatures are solidarity expressions. You are acting in a very Mormon manner by saying that.
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How many women have you worked with throughout your career? How many accused you of being inappropriate?Kishkumen wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:16 amDo you have the vapors now, Lowrance? Or is it that you always take every signature on any document at face value? Do you take the Book of Mormon witnesses at face value?Lowrance wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:54 amOh my goodness, that is such a sexist thing to say. Wow. You have just completely disregarded the opinions of the vast majority of the women who signed the letter by stating that, as a man, you would wager that the majority of the signatures are solidarity expressions. You are acting in a very Mormon manner by saying that.