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Fence Sitter wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 11:23 pm
Imwashingmypirate wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 10:30 pm

I might be wrong ( one of my hands isn't working lol. I be typing and the hand wasn't pressing the letters lol don't worry, I know what it is, just an odd experience) but isn't there a thing about how there is supposed to be a temple within 72 hours walking distance of every member so that in the end times we can get to a temple with our 72h preparedness pack in tow?
I hope your hand is better.

I have never heard of such a requirement.
Hand is fine. It went numb. I have some kind of nerve inflammation and wear and tear disease in my neck. Hands go numb a lot. Already thoroughly tested by specialists. I just reposition and it comes back.

I'll see if I can find what I'm talking about.
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huckelberry wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 11:36 pm
Imwashingmypirate wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 10:30 pm

I might be wrong ( one of my hands isn't working lol. I be typing and the hand wasn't pressing the letters lol don't worry, I know what it is, just an odd experience) but isn't there a thing about how there is supposed to be a temple within 72 hours walking distance of every member so that in the end times we can get to a temple with our 72h preparedness pack in tow?
I could explain that the 600 miles to nearest temple was the case over 50 years ago. There is one about 50 miles distance now. Three in the state of Washington when there were none in the time I was thinking of.

I have never heard of a 72 hour preparedness pack.I suppose one could walk a pack the 50 miles in 72 hours but why on earth would someone do that?
Fence Sitter wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 11:23 pm
Imwashingmypirate wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 10:30 pm

I might be wrong ( one of my hands isn't working lol. I be typing and the hand wasn't pressing the letters lol don't worry, I know what it is, just an odd experience) but isn't there a thing about how there is supposed to be a temple within 72 hours walking distance of every member so that in the end times we can get to a temple with our 72h preparedness pack in tow?
I hope your hand is better.

I have never heard of such a requirement.

https://news-ph.churchofjesuschrist.org ... ssential--

Having trouble finding information about every member being able to walk to a temple. I did find a Reddit post where someone says they were told the goal is to have temples within 1 hours distance of every member but there was nothing of note in the post. No official documentation.

Why people would want to do that? I think the idea when it was explained to me is that during a disaster such as the end of times, the temple would be a safe place for members to go and that they are deliberately built with natural disasters in mind. So in a situation where perhaps roads are closed and a disaster is happening, you'd take you 72h pack and head for the nearest temple.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 7:22 pm
The LDS Church is not a fraud. It is an exorbitantly expensive social club with an expensive entrance fee: 10% of your income for life.
Well, not quite. There's that whole "Law of Consecration" thing, "which means dedicating our time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed us to building up Jesus Christ’s Church on the earth." (Taken right from the church's website, so I assume this is not against the board rules to mention. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/tem ... t?lang=eng) Obviously, members are not generally required to cough up everything, but they have to be willing to do it if they want "exaltation."
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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 7:22 pm
The LDS Church is not a fraud.
Yeah, a fraud would be when they are trying to peddle something that is not true.
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bill4long wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 5:00 am
Kishkumen wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 7:22 pm
The LDS Church is not a fraud. It is an exorbitantly expensive social club with an expensive entrance fee: 10% of your income for life.
Well, not quite. There's that whole "Law of Consecration" thing, "which means dedicating our time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed us to building up Jesus Christ’s Church on the earth." (Taken right from the church's website, so I assume this is not against the board rules to mention. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/tem ... t?lang=eng) Obviously, members are not generally required to cough up everything, but they have to be willing to do it if they want "exaltation."
I thought the law of consecration was what they were saying would happen some day but in my mind it makes giving 10 percent easier because at least you don't have to give everything.
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bill4long wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 5:00 am
Well, not quite. There's that whole "Law of Consecration" thing, "which means dedicating our time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed us to building up Jesus Christ’s Church on the earth." (Taken right from the church's website, so I assume this is not against the board rules to mention. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/tem ... t?lang=eng) Obviously, members are not generally required to cough up everything, but they have to be willing to do it if they want "exaltation."
Again, there is no enforcement mechanism. The decision determining what consecration means is for the most part individual.
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Moksha wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 8:18 am
Yeah, a fraud would be when they are trying to peddle something that is not true.
I know you are smart enough to understand why your statement is problematic.
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I've seen it repeated that activity isn't better around a temple, but tithing receipts go up. I assume perhaps there is more pressure or desire to have a current recommend if there is one close enough.

I'm back to listening to a podcast that does a bit of comedy on current events. Anyway a week or so ago the press release about 15 new temples made the cut. One guy thought all churches weren't doing so hot, but maybe the Mormons are thriving if they are building temples. So the temple ruse is working on at least some of the general public.

My parents are in the Draper temple one day a week. A bunch of their people were moved to Jordan River cause some of their people were moved to Taylorsville. I think there was some concern about getting enough people in the new boundaries to fill what they needed, and this is in the Salt Lake valley in a time with the boomer generation being in the prime spot to be temple workers.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 7:22 pm
The LDS Church is not a fraud. It is an exorbitantly expensive social club with an expensive entrance fee: 10% of your income for life. Fortunately, they use an honor system to monitor follow through on that commitment.
It's difficult to say cause circumstances would be so wildly different, but I often think that if I lived in Utah still that I very well could have ended up as a country club Mormon. I like to think I would have stopped attending completely, but I could also see doing enough to also have a temple recommend so I could attend weddings in the temple and such.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 9:47 am
Moksha wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 8:18 am
Yeah, a fraud would be when they are trying to peddle something that is not true.
I know you are smart enough to understand why your statement is problematic.
Your view is it’s not a fraud because it’s a religion? Even if Joseph started it fraudulently, the leaders today believe and that’s sufficient?
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