Shulem Cracked the Book of Mormon Code, the Land of Nephi is now revealed! See for yourself! The Golden Key!

[Moksha]

Moksha, I've not shown all my cards or fully fleshed out the geography. There is more to be revealed and only if and when I decide to. We can agree that the most important event of the entire story was to get the plates to New York where Joseph could dig them up and tell the story.

Great stuff, Shulem. It will help our understanding when you release your additional details.

About Nephi's steak preferences, I think he would also go surf and turf, adding a lobster tail or two. Oy gevalt!

[Shulem]

Great stuff, Shulem. It will help our understanding when you release your additional details.

You know the story of Limhi and his subjects sneaking out of Shilom at night and going around the city perimeter in order to evade capture is not without serious problems or rather, it's simply unbelievable. The story is very descriptive in telling how they snuck about through the (1) back pass, (2) back wall, (3) back side of the city. We are to understand that they did drive their flocks and herds along with their women and children into the wilderness by the night of scary darkness! And they took their gold and silver and everything they could carry, thus their pack animals were laden with much weight because they took everything which they could carry consisting of all manner of provisions needed for their journey to Zarahemla. We are informed that the mission was accomplished covertly beginning with the "secret pass" which was on the left side (south) of the camp where the Lamanite guards were drunken and asleep or bedded down for the night.

So, after they managed to travel "around the land of Shilom" completely unnoticed, compliments of their tribute of wine, they faced the wilderness ahead -- which was due NORTH! Thus, after they went around the city beginning at the southern boundary they then faced NORTH and from that point they went into the wilderness in the dead of night! Later, much later, they bent their course towards Zarahemla seeing that a course adjustment of that nature could only be performed during daylight. This provides a perfect example to show how the "bent their course" was made days later during a northern trek in order to make the bend southward down into Zarahemla.

What makes the story so unbelievable? The waking Lamanite army that pursued them for two days could no longer follow their tracks! That is absolutely absurd! Don't tell me that a trained army can't manage to follow the tracks of a band of people riding out on HERDS that are weighed down with everything from gold cups including the kitchen sink! This was a blunder on Joseph Smith's part while telling the story with his face in a hat.

The Book of Mormon is a total joke!

[Moksha]

Putting on my apologist hat: What if Limhi called upon the school of illusion magic to cast a spell of confusion, confounding the tracks for the pursuing Lamanites?

Allan Wyatt is welcome to use this apologetic in the next issue of the Interpreter Electronic Newsletter. Otherwise, Allan, Shulem has made his case.

[Shulem]

Putting on my apologist hat: What if Limhi called upon the school of illusion magic to cast a spell of confusion, confounding the tracks for the pursuing Lamanites?

That's about the only excuse apologists can make for a tactical blunder that makes no sense at all. It's ridiculous to think an army couldn't follow civilian tracks, especially when they were not far behind. Recall how Gideon (Mosiah 22:3-9) explained they could make their escape on the southern side of the city after the Lamanites passed out due to their drunkenness. It's at that point (the hour was late) when Limhi and his people were able to go through the secret pass on the left of the camp to make their great escape and then go around the land of Shilom late at night. So, we may ascertain that it took several hours just to get everyone and everything (men, women, children, flocks, herds, etc.) safely out of Shilom and go around the land without being detected.

But then we learn the Lamanites discovered the people of Limhi had departed out of the land by night, which means they discovered the Nephites had escaped that very morning, presumably quite early when the rooster crowed. At that point the Lamanites sent an army into the wilderness to pursue them during the light of day whereby they could easily follow the tracks, overtake, and intercept Limhi and his weary people who must have hunkered down after traveling all night into the wilderness. Therefore, time and distance between Limhi and the Lamanite army couldn't have been very much. The tracks made by flocks, herds, and people laden with weight were not miraculously swept away because the story makes no allusion to that idea. We are however later told that "it was the Lord that did deliver them" (Mosiah 25:16). Or in other words, the Lord turned the Lamanite army into monkeys whereby they were lost in the wilderness and became unable to follow the tracks.

It's just another silly stupid story in the book.

[Moksha]

Okay, what about a torrential monsoon of twenty days flooding the rice paddies of Delmarva and making such tracking exceedingly difficult? Remember, the Lamanites had no curious saucer-shaped craft with large corks on the top and bottom at that time.

[Shulem]

I now make a point (Easter egg) to demonstrate how travelling from Zarahemla to the land of Nephi requires travelling northward in which the "up" so often used to describe this action refers to direction rather than elevation. Recall how Mosiah sent explorers from Zarahemla to go up to the land of Lehi-Nephi:

And it came to pass that on the morrow they started to go up, having with them one Ammon, he being a strong and mighty man, and a descendant of Zarahemla; and he was also their leader.

Note how they STARTED to go up on the very first day of the expedition! Hence, the beginning of the journey was on the very day they "started" to head north which is the only way (via Delmarva model) to get to the land of Nephi by land without shortcutting eastward across the river Sidon (Pocomoke). Thus, the journey at Delmarva begins in Maryland (Zarahemla) whereafter a northern trek is necessary in order to arrive at the tail of the Virginian coast. I believe that is what Smith initially visualized as a base to form his hodgepodge of stories.

Now recall how these explorers spent forty days in search of the land of Lehi-Nephi and chanced upon a hill that was situated north of Shilom whereupon they pitched their tents. We see how being elevated on that hill and having spotted Shilom to the south is when they were able to go down (descend) into Shilom:

And when they had wandered forty days they came to a hill, which is north of the land of Shilom, and there they pitched their tents.

And Ammon took three of his brethren, and their names were Amaleki, Helem, and Hem, and they went down into the land of Nephi.

Let's be clear that I'm not arguing the verse above "went down" from the hill equates to a southern trek but in this case refers to elevation and descent. An example of showing descent regardless of direction is given in Alma 52:23, "And as Teancum saw the armies of the Lamanites coming out against him he began to retreat down by the seashore, northward."

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

[Shulem]

A believer of the Book of Mormon has recently (2024/09/27) come out in favor of Delmarva and has posted material at this website.

The author (Matt) explains briefly why both Mesoamerican and Heartland models can be rejected out of hand because they defy the very text of the Book of Mormon and fail to match geographical descriptions authored by those who lived on the land of promise. Here is the visual aid offered by this believer of the Book of Mormon in showing Delmarva as the promised land. He is trying to make sense of the geography and has adopted Delmarva as the most likely location according to the requirements given in the text:

As I said in the beginning, I don’t know where the Book of Mormon events took place, but given the information we have, the Delmarva Peninsula is the most obvious candidate: it’s a peninsula connected to the mainland by narrow neck; it’s about 20 miles from the east coast to the west coast where the “line Bountiful” would be, easily a “day’s journey”; it’s 50 miles from the narrow neck to Philadelphia, home of the Declaration of Independence.

[Shulem]

Could we not suggest Joseph Smith did give a key location by identifying the hill from which he took the plates as Cumorah?

We can certainly suggest that Smith gave a *key* location identifying the hill from which he claimed to uncover the plates as Cumorah in New York State. That, my friend, is a done deal and is set in everlasting stone. But the key location for the narrow neck located down south was never revealed or discussed by Smith. He kept that a secret. But, you should know, the hill Cumorah in New York is not the *grand key* location of the Book of Mormon. The narrow neck of land is the keystone to the Book of Mormon and it's the doorway in which the southern lands of Nephi provide passage into "Desolation" and the land of the north where the Jaredites lived. It's the key to the door! If you nail that down then you can solve the puzzle. That is what this thread is all about. I'm solving the puzzle and I have more cards to show in doing that. Interested?

I'm glad you've noticed this thread. Everyone must get their mind out of the Mesoamerica gutter which apologists have invented to entrap thinkers like you and me. The apologists have ensnared themselves in their own trap and fallen in the pit which they have dug. It's astounding to say the least! They are unable to demonstrate that their models work and make any sense at all. They live in that fairytale simply because they are hiding from the fact that there is no real evidence to prove the Book of Mormon true and they know that. So they keep it in a place where no evidence keeps them in a safe zone. But I'm here to change all that. And I will, trust me. Never mind the Book of Abraham! It's the Book of Mormon that is the keystone of Mormonism and remove that stone and the whole thing comes crashing down. And, I'm going to remove it. So help me God!

Radio Free Mormon hits a bull's-eye:

When you look at the Book of Mormon from all these different points of view....you can triangulate the heck out of the Book of Mormon because it fits in Joseph Smith's day, it fits in his neighborhood, and it fits in his experience, everything about the Book of Mormon locates it right in Joseph Smith's backyard.

RFM, please triangulate (on a map) where YOU think Smith fantasized travelling through the narrow neck.

Do we have an accord?