“Wither she did go” ??

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Re: “Wither she did go” ??

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I think of the Hagoth episode as “translating” the failed trip to Canada to sell the copywrite.
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Limnor wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2026 12:39 am
I think of the Hagoth episode as “translating” the failed trip to Canada to sell the copywrite.
Cowdery, Page, Knight, and Stowell did travel from New York to Canada in 1830. I wonder if they talked about treasure seeking?
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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I think Joseph Smith pictured Hagoth heading up the Susquehanna river.

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Thank you, Doc.

And Captain Kidd too!

Documentation and contemporary literature proves that Captain Kidd's vessel was referred to using the feminine pronouns "she" and "her". In addition, treasure fever stirring up folklore and legend about Kidd supposedly traveling up the Susquehanna River was embraced by Joseph Smith's adventurism. So, I see a fair connection/association between that of Hagoth & Kidd. Delmarva was the land of Nephi!
Wikipedia, Adventure Galley wrote:
  • Adventure Galley, also known as Adventure, was an English merchant ship captained by Scottish sea captain William Kidd. She was a type of hybrid ship that combined square rigged sails with oars to give her manoeuvrability in both windy and calm conditions.
  • Between April 1696 and April 1698, she travelled thousands of miles across the Atlantic and Indian Oceans in search of pirates but failed to find any until nearly the end of her travels.
  • Adventure Galley succeeded in capturing two vessels off India and brought them back to Madagascar, but by the spring of 1698 the ship's hull had become so rotten and leaky that she was no longer seaworthy. She was stripped of anything movable and sunk off the north-eastern coast of Madagascar. Her remains have not yet been located.
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In referencing the Polynesians and Maori Saints in New Zealand:
President Joseph F. Smith wrote:I would like to say to you brethren and sisters from New Zealand, you are some of Hagoth's people, and there is No Perhaps about it!
Stupid Mormon prophet!

Is not the real story about Hagoth being a secret similitude that is imbedded in Smith's story to represent Captain Kidd heading up the Susquehanna River with treasures in hand?

:lol:

So, the good folks of Harmony Pennsylvania are some of Hagoth's people!

:lol:

Mormons are so stupid!

:lol:
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Re: “Wither she did go” ??

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Shulem wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2026 12:47 am
Limnor wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2026 12:39 am
I think of the Hagoth episode as “translating” the failed trip to Canada to sell the copywrite.
Cowdery, Page, Knight, and Stowell did travel from New York to Canada in 1830. I wonder if they talked about treasure seeking?
I believe it’s likely they did talk about treasure on that journey, but the term “treasure” had taken on a different meaning.

Isaac Hale and Josiah Stowell almost certainly believed in stories of buried pirate treasure, especially Kidd’s. Stowell’s willingness to hire Joseph as a treasure seer makes sense in that scenario. Whether Kidd actually buried treasure didn’t seem to matter as much as people believed it, setting up opportunity money digging and seer-stone use. I can see a kernel that belief ultimately leading to the gold Bible.

However, the story of Hagoth, from a symbolic or allegorical model, doesn't naturally line up with the Kidd legends. They seem to fit better with an actual journey or expedition made by members of Joseph’s inner circle. That’s why the Canada trip has appeal to me as a candidate.

A group travels north on a mission connected to the publication of the Book of Mormon and then returns with disappointing results, never really spoken of again.

My interpretation is the episode had been presented as a prophecy that was supposed to result in a return with good news and treasure associated with the book. Instead, it failed, therefore the prophecy had to be written out of existence, along with Hagoth.
Shulem wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2026 3:17 pm
In referencing the Polynesians and Maori Saints in New Zealand:
President Joseph F. Smith wrote:I would like to say to you brethren and sisters from New Zealand, you are some of Hagoth's people, and there is No Perhaps about it!
This is probably most astonishing part—the Hagoth episode blossomed into something like this. I mean wow.
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Re: “Wither she did go” ??

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Shulem wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2026 3:17 pm
In referencing the Polynesians and Maori Saints in New Zealand:
President Joseph F. Smith wrote:I would like to say to you brethren and sisters from New Zealand, you are some of Hagoth's people, and there is No Perhaps about it!
Stupid Mormon prophet!

Is not the real story about Hagoth being a secret similitude that is imbedded in Smith's story to represent Captain Kidd heading up the Susquehanna River with treasures in hand?

:lol:

So, the good folks of Harmony Pennsylvania are some of Hagoth's people!

:lol:

Mormons are so stupid!

:lol:
Was that before or after he held a court on his cat and sentenced him to hang followed by a decapitation?
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