Evolution explains everything...

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harmony wrote:
I want to evolve into someone that can fly, and heal myself, and walk into burning buildings and time fold, and disappear into walls, and hear people's thoughts so I can help catch serial killers...

SAVE THE CHEERLEADER....SAVE THE WORLD


This time of year, I'd like to fold time too.
http://www.west.net/~simon/NotesonInterdimensionalPhysics---PartONE--B.html

Delta-T antenna.

http://www.futurehorizons.net/time.htm

Time travel devices. I'd like a hyperdimentional resonator -- it's supposed to induce an out-of-body experience immediately, so you can travel across time and space all-willy-nilly.
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Hi TD, not sure about "evolution" answering everything?? But, i'm laying my chips on "science". As i enjoy my time and space it seems they have both been improved FANTASTICALLY from most "space" in other "times" by applied science.
I really endorse the following quote of Dawkins':
Quote:
DAWKINS: My mind is not closed, as you have occasionally suggested, Francis. My mind is open to the most wonderful range of future possibilities, which I cannot even dream about, nor can you, nor can anybody else. What I am skeptical about is the idea that whatever wonderful revelation does come in the science of the future, it will turn out to be one of the particular historical religions that people happen to have dreamed up. When we started out and we were talking about the origins of the universe and the physical constants, I provided what I thought were cogent arguments against a supernatural intelligent designer. But it does seem to me to be a worthy idea. Refutable--but nevertheless grand and big enough to be worthy of respect. I don't see the Olympian gods or Jesus coming down and dying on the Cross as worthy of that grandeur. They strike me as parochial. If there is a God, it's going to be a whole lot bigger and a whole lot more incomprehensible than anything that any theologian of any religion has ever proposed.



He's speaking my mind...ya know wad i'm sayin'?? Warm regards, Roger :-)
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keene wrote:
SMART BITCH wrote:
keene wrote:The main problem I see with current evolution theory, is that the mutations are believed to be random. "The New Biology," a lecture by Bruce Lipton shows that DNA can actually be changed depending on the environment, rather than by random changes in the replication process.

There was an experiment where they took a bunch of cells, and "broke" the DNA that allowed them to digest milk, and then put them in petri dishes filled with only milk. Expecting the cells to die in their first generation, they were very surprised to see that they were able to fix their own DNA, so they could survive in the milk.

For humans, and any animal with a brain, this means that the DNA of the animal will change, depending on their beliefs about the environment, and their diet. Bruce goes into a lot more detail, but I think it adds a whole new layer to the speed at which evolution can occur, which helps fill in the "missing links" that anti-evolutionists keep harping on about.

It also allows consciousness into the theory, which is what most science misses these days.



I want to evolve into someone that can fly, and heal myself, and walk into burning buildings and time fold, and disappear into walls, and hear people's thoughts so I can help catch serial killers...

SAVE THE CHEERLEADER....SAVE THE WORLD


Have you considered hallucinogens?



No I just watch HEROES on Monday nights

I can't find any good drugs I trust these days....and I won't do anything that could make think I could really fly...

Besides Moms don't do drugs....when I'm in my eighties I plan on tring everything I can ge my hands on...at eighty what have I really got to lose???
When I wake up I will be hungry....but this feels so good right now aaahhhhhh........
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My own personal belief is that evolution is a tool used by God. Evolution can stand on its own without that belief, but never the less, that is what I choose to believe.
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Hi Mok...

Well, evolution certainly is the way the universe works... (I'm speaking of evolution as the development of the whole universe). So, whether God is a man/being using evolution, or the universe itself is Source and evolution is a manifestation of its creativity, probably doesn't matter much in the end. :-)

I found a REALLY cool picture from the Hubble (I have a huge collection) of a galaxy (posted on my blog), that just make me stop, once again, and marvel at how things unfold and how we came to this place in which we find ourselves.

I truly can't get over it! I mean it is beyond the ability of my being to bring the reality of it all into my consciousness. Ahhhhh......

:-)

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Hi TD, i've taken the liberty to transfer your "favourite quote" to this thead...OK?

Quote:
"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." (Bold and UL added)

I endorse that and attempt to live by it as an evolving individual in our evolving world of humanity. Which i most certainly think it is.

It troubles me to hear many religious types say we are living in a world destined in ???? days, weeks, months, a-few-short-years to have Jesus come and fix-it-all-up. As Mom did to a scaped knee. How completely un-Jesus like, IMSCO.

Thanks for your posts and your contributions to the aura that enlightens the path into the future. Warm regards, Roger
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Hi Roger...

Thanks for your very kind words! :-)

I'm so with you on this... I've been really contemplating lately (in part thanks to my recent read of The End of Faith), how religion can (and does at times) make people behave unethically. In other words, what we know deep in our hearts to be good and decent and compassionate, we thwart or repress or destroy so as to follow religious dogma. We see this over and over and over and over throughout history and across religions.

If people really followed their hearts and their deepest sense of ethics (which in my opinion, is in our DNA and a phenomenon of evolution), we wouldn't kill each other, we wouldn't hurt others, women woud be treated as human beings, there would have been no witch hunts, no crusades, no 9-11, no polygamy, no racism, etc. etc. etc.

Makes ya think no? :-)

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Hi TD, you say: (YUK, i think i messed up the quote thing :-) Anyway:

[/quote]If people really followed their hearts and their deepest sense of ethics (which in my opinion, is in our DNA and a phenomenon of evolution), we wouldn't kill each other, we wouldn't hurt others, women woud be treated as human beings, there would have been no witch hunts, no crusades, no 9-11, no polygamy, no racism, etc. etc. etc.""""

I agree, with some hesitation. As you know i feel strongly about Nature-Nurture ("Birth Luck":-) Ones DNA as you say, and the nurture/conditioning one is thrust into... But, as i think of my times of 'wronging' others i cannot escape that "deep sense of ethics" you suggest. For Mee this goes back a loooonnnnnngggg way.... Now was that because of my parental teaching, "...Roger you must never... must always...??

If i had never been so instructed, would i feel the same sense of remorse at "bullying" in its various forms? That i don't honestly know.

However, through the 'fact' "of evolution" our senses have been put to higher purpose than survival, IMSCO. Not just thinking, planning, scheming beings, there is now more evidence of feeling sympathy and empathy in our emerging world.

To what is this change credited? Conscience? Broadened understanding? Education? Less nihilism as a reaction to religious absurdities? Or, to a more positive religious influence? Maybe all of the above??

IMSCO, religion itself is going through wonderous evolution! Eventually they might be able to play a more positive role in the efforts to achieve what you outline as THE worthy goals of humanity. However, religion must put on sack-cloth and do a lot of rolling in ashes, confess its sins, show BIG signs of repentance, swallow pride and ask what they can do!

Rather than telling the world what is wrong with it, religion has to, "get the beam out of its own eye!" Generally speaking of course. Lots of good stuff being done by the more enlightend sects in progressive denominations.

As you say, "everything is evolving." Why not religion, right?? Warm regards, Roger
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Roger Morrison wrote:Hi TD, you say: (YUK, i think i messed up the quote thing :-) Anyway:

If people really followed their hearts and their deepest sense of ethics (which in my opinion, is in our DNA and a phenomenon of evolution), we wouldn't kill each other, we wouldn't hurt others, women woud be treated as human beings, there would have been no witch hunts, no crusades, no 9-11, no polygamy, no racism, etc. etc. etc.""""

I agree, with some hesitation. As you know i feel strongly about Nature-Nurture ("Birth Luck":-) Ones DNA as you say, and the nurture/conditioning one is thrust into... But, as i think of my times of 'wronging' others i cannot escape that "deep sense of ethics" you suggest. For Mee this goes back a loooonnnnnngggg way.... Now was that because of my parental teaching, "...Roger you must never... must always...??

If i had never been so instructed, would i feel the same sense of remorse at "bullying" in its various forms? That i don't honestly know.

However, through the 'fact' "of evolution" our senses have been put to higher purpose than survival, IMSCO. Not just thinking, planning, scheming beings, there is now more evidence of feeling sympathy and empathy in our emerging world.

To what is this change credited? Conscience? Broadened understanding? Education? Less nihilism as a reaction to religious absurdities? Or, to a more positive religious influence? Maybe all of the above??

IMSCO, religion itself is going through wonderous evolution! Eventually they might be able to play a more positive role in the efforts to achieve what you outline as THE worthy goals of humanity. However, religion must put on sack-cloth and do a lot of rolling in ashes, confess its sins, show BIG signs of repentance, swallow pride and ask what they can do!

Rather than telling the world what is wrong with it, religion has to, "get the beam out of its own eye!" Generally speaking of course. Lots of good stuff being done by the more enlightend sects in progressive denominations.

As you say, "everything is evolving." Why not religion, right?? Warm regards, Roger


The best part about evolution -- what doesn't work, dies. If religion is evolving, then the new offspring of the evolution will be what remains, while the old dies out.

Religion has always gone through evolution -- Each generation gets closer and closer to an amazing truth. But the old must be able to die for evolution to work. Otherwise, it's just an anchor slowing it down.
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Keene, you are absolutely right when you say:
The best part about evolution -- what doesn't work, dies. If religion is evolving, then the new offspring of the evolution will be what remains, while the old dies out.

Religion has always gone through evolution -- Each generation gets closer and closer to an amazing truth. But the old must be able to die for evolution to work. Otherwise, it's just an anchor slowing it down.


Unfortunately there are always new anchors who resist enlightenment, as i see evolution, so we have a very slow moving advancement in relgious affairs.

LDSism is a prime example of this stagnation. Old is perpetuated in their hiearchial leadership. One only has to read, or listen to, without favour or prejudice, some of their advice on matters they are simply no longer qualified to knowledgeably address.

Such an obvious flaw in their administrative structure must be apparent to some. Who in that structure can/will say, "the Emporer is naked!"

Such a closed system leads to their own demise. A sad thing, or a good thing?
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