Just Curious....

[_Brackite]

I don't know why Sleeping Willow was banned, and likely neither does Southwest. I didn't see anything in Southwest's posts that merited banning.

Pahoran just called me a liar a couple of times in one post, but I predict that one will never be banned (and probably is the one poster who has earned banning on every board i've seen him on)

Hi Beastie,

That was mean-spirited of Pahoran to do that. Pahoran is one of the several LDS Apologists on the MA&D Board that gets special treatment from the Moderaotrs there. If any of the critics that are still left there, accuse another Poster there of being a liar in a Post, one of the Moderators there will at least reprimand that Poster, and/or also probably ban that Poster there.

[_gramps]

About Southwest's ban: I can not remember the thread I was reading sometime back, in the last couple of weeks (?), where Southwest was warned because the mods had received messages from participants about his bad tone and attacks, or something like that.

I'm sure someone could find that, if they wanted to, but I have no desire to look it up.

On that thread, he was given a final warning to play nice and to change his tone.

It appears some participators continued to complain, and bam, out the door (hope he didn't slip on the ice on the way out). I hope he comes here, too. I, for one, enjoyed his posts over there.

[_Bond...James Bond]

It appears some participators continued to complain, and bam, out the door (hope he didn't slip on the ice on the way out). I hope he comes here, too. I, for one, enjoyed his posts over there.

Jeez, is it 2nd grade over there on MAD?

Teacher! Teacher! Gramps looked at me funny!

Vegas made me eat a bug!

Runtu stole my toy!

Scratch ripped apart my whole spiritual belief system and ended my life as I know it, making me question the moon, the stars and my messiah.

---Teacher make them stand in the corner. Send them to detention. Suspend them indefinitely!!!



Bond

PS Shades I hope you don't take this rant seriously.

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

About Southwest's ban: I can not remember the thread I was reading sometime back, in the last couple of weeks (?), where Southwest was warned because the mods had received messages from participants about his bad tone and attacks, or something like that.

I'm sure someone could find that, if they wanted to, but I have no desire to look it up.

On that thread, he was given a final warning to play nice and to change his tone.

It appears some participators continued to complain, and bam, out the door (hope he didn't slip on the ice on the way out). I hope he comes here, too. I, for one, enjoyed his posts over there.

See I'm with Gramps ...to me Southwest was very sharp and critical in his posts and I know by reading someof his posts he was treading watering ...Southwest wasat least to me was countering every stupid thing they were sayig overthere and he was posing some very good questions ...which of course no one would answer...because we all know how they answer questions on FAIR
they don't...they just BAN BAN BAN

[_maklelan]

About Southwest's ban: I can not remember the thread I was reading sometime back, in the last couple of weeks (?), where Southwest was warned because the mods had received messages from participants about his bad tone and attacks, or something like that.

I'm sure someone could find that, if they wanted to, but I have no desire to look it up.

On that thread, he was given a final warning to play nice and to change his tone.

It appears some participators continued to complain, and bam, out the door (hope he didn't slip on the ice on the way out). I hope he comes here, too. I, for one, enjoyed his posts over there.

See I'm with Gramps ...to me Southwest was very sharp and critical in his posts and I know by reading someof his posts he was treading watering ...Southwest wasat least to me was countering every stupid thing they were sayig overthere and he was posing some very good questions ...which of course no one would answer...because we all know how they answer questions on FAIR
they don't...they just BAN BAN BAN

I will provide you with a synopsis of the threads started by SleepingWillow, the outcomes of those threads, and the arguments he has entered into (at least what I can find before History class begins.

The paradox of faith - 19th June 2006 - 12:54 PM: Elementary debate about whether or not God is scientifically provable. Nothing of any substance.

Who is your favorite prophet and why? - 23rd June 2006 - 06:21 PM: He just started the thread, made one comment and then split.

Politics in the Church - 23rd June 2006 - 11:20 PM: Deals with modern issues like abortion and the church. Political thread about how republicans are wicked men of priestcrafts. Never gained my interest.

Poll: Poll on Homosexuality - Will the Church ever change its stance? - 26th June 2006 - 10:07 AM: Vast majority voted no, the fullness of God's will on the issue is complete. Most objective responses by Southwest that I have seen.

Poll: Can God feel dysphoric? - 28th June 2006 - 01:00 AM: Most voted definitely not. Doesn't amount to much.


Poll: Did Joseph Smith ever lie? - 17th July 2006 - 09:13 AM: Most voted yes. Southwest participates little, except to remind us that sweeping generalizations are always wrong. Thread closed for some reason. Probably just a lack of interest.

Poll: When is contraception a sin? - 17th July 2006 - 11:16 AM: Most answered that it's not a sin. Thread was closed for becoming too sexual (closed by someone later banned).

Why is putting off children considered "selfish"? - 17th July 2006 - 07:58 PM: Spin-off of prior thread. Accuses people of calling delaying childbirth selfish and demands a response. Warned not to make thread personal. All his concerns are responded to and he abandons the thread.

Has The LDS Church Stopped Growing? - 24th November 2006 - 05:34 AM: Claims church believes growth = true church and abandons the last page and a half of the thread when his claim is countered.

The Sacrament--a Tool Of Guilt And Shame? - 2nd December 2006 - 03:39 AM: "When you confess to a Bishop and he tells you to stop taking the sacrament, is this like a scarlet letter? It always seems related to some sort of sexual sin." Claims that it's wrong to make someone publicly not take the sacrament. Has a subsequent post partially deleted by mods. Makes this sweeping generalization after promising that they are always false: "it is almost always for sexual sin." Starts bickering with other posters and is banned for a week and others are warned. He comes back to snipe a little mroe and then end with this: "We could all do with less judging in Israel and more understanding and compassion." Respectable.

The Scriptures Are The Word Of God or: How to Stop Believing and Love the Atheism - December 2006 - 11:38 AM: Starts off with several scriptures he believes point to the sinful nature of God. I put up several good points explaining the need for intimidation and the consequentialism of ancient Near Eastern morality. He refuses to respond to them. I push him to answer and he pushes me to admit my argument doesn't have a leg to stand on. Thread is temporarily closed withotu a single response to my evidence, and several to his.

From this point on he gets increasingly antagonistic towards faithful, and increasingly ignore arguments. I've got to go to history class, but I'll be back.

[_Mister Scratch]

SleepingWillow had increasingly become a headache for some of the "heavy hitters" over there, and consequently it is no surprise that s/he was banned. For example (unless I'm mistaken), Southwest was giving DCP a pretty hard time over the whole "Jews have few friends" comment, and Southwest was also responsible for re-raising the topic of the Sao Paulo Temple. I think the bottomline is that Southwest just scored too many points. Frankly, I was surprised s/he lasted so long over there. Another one I expect to see banned any time is Yong Xi. There are a handful of critics---such as MC, The Dude, and Tarski---who are kept around apparently out of habit, but all the other quality critics wind up getting booted off. in my opinion.

[_Yoda]

Thanks for the summary, Mak. :)

I can read over there, but since I don't have an account, I can't use the Search feature. At a glance, it was hard to distinguish what had "been the last straw" for the Mods.

I just hadn't really seen any of what I would consider "over the top" arguing from him. That's why I was curious.

[_Yoda]

SleepingWillow had increasingly become a headache for some of the "heavy hitters" over there, and consequently it is no surprise that s/he was banned. For example (unless I'm mistaken), Southwest was giving DCP a pretty hard time over the whole "Jews have few friends" comment, and Southwest was also responsible for re-raising the topic of the Sao Paulo Temple. I think the bottomline is that Southwest just scored too many points. Frankly, I was surprised s/he lasted so long over there. Another one I expect to see banned any time is Yong Xi. There are a handful of critics---such as MC, The Dude, and Tarski---who are kept around apparently out of habit, but all the other quality critics wind up getting booted off. in my opinion.

I don't know, Scratch. I was suprised to see Cinepro, Ralph Man, and a couple of others back on board over there. I thought they had been previously banned.

I didn't realize that Southwest had crossed swords with DCP. That does seem to be a "death sentance" over there, if you're not careful in how you approach him.

[_maklelan]

SleepingWillow had increasingly become a headache for some of the "heavy hitters" over there, and consequently it is no surprise that s/he was banned. For example (unless I'm mistaken), Southwest was giving DCP a pretty hard time over the whole "Jews have few friends" comment, and Southwest was also responsible for re-raising the topic of the Sao Paulo Temple. I think the bottomline is that Southwest just scored too many points. Frankly, I was surprised s/he lasted so long over there. Another one I expect to see banned any time is Yong Xi. There are a handful of critics---such as MC, The Dude, and Tarski---who are kept around apparently out of habit, but all the other quality critics wind up getting booted off. in my opinion.

I really didn't see it as points. Both LDS and non-LDS people were constantly complaining about his reticence to respond to other people's arguments. He flat out ignored most of what peopel would say and only respond to what he thought were weak parts of the arguments. I didn't even get past the first three pages of his list of posts, so there's much more. I've noticed he started out just fine, but after his arguments didn't seem to go over well with as many people as he wanted he started to get more sloppy and antagonistic.

[_harmony]

SleepingWillow had increasingly become a headache for some of the "heavy hitters" over there, and consequently it is no surprise that s/he was banned. For example (unless I'm mistaken), Southwest was giving DCP a pretty hard time over the whole "Jews have few friends" comment, and Southwest was also responsible for re-raising the topic of the Sao Paulo Temple. I think the bottomline is that Southwest just scored too many points. Frankly, I was surprised s/he lasted so long over there. Another one I expect to see banned any time is Yong Xi. There are a handful of critics---such as MC, The Dude, and Tarski---who are kept around apparently out of habit, but all the other quality critics wind up getting booted off. in my opinion.

I really didn't see it as points. Both LDS and non-LDS people were constantly complaining about his reticence to respond to other people's arguments. He flat out ignored most of what peopel would say and only respond to what he thought were weak parts of the arguments. I didn't even get past the first three pages of his list of posts, so there's much more. I've noticed he started out just fine, but after his arguments didn't seem to go over well with as many people as he wanted he started to get more sloppy and antagonistic.

How do you know Sleeping Willow was a man?

A lot of people respond only to the weak points of an argument. Is that now against the rules on MAD?