If the Prophet Joseph Smith believed the Book of Mormon

[_Gazelam]

If I remember correctly, Joseph was in DIRE financial straights at the time. No cash to speak of, and deeply in debt, as were his friends who were involved in the publication of the Book of Mormon. Were they trying to obtain funds from the Book of Mormon, yes. And they were wrong to do so.

[_Draig Goch]

If I remember correctly, Joseph was in DIRE financial straights at the time. No cash to speak of, and deeply in debt, as were his friends who were involved in the publication of the Book of Mormon. Were they trying to obtain funds from the Book of Mormon, yes. And they were wrong to do so.

Interesting.

Passing judgment on your own prophet.

No answer to the question then? Or is it:

They needed money but were wrong for doing so?

Interesting, and sad, to watch faithful Mormons condemn the actions of the very founder that they sing praises to every Sunday.

[_Gazelam]

Was Moses wrong in claiming he brought the water from the rock?

Was Jonah wrong in trying to flee from his responsibilities?

Prophets are men, and subject to mistakes from time to time. Joseph was a much better Prophet at the end than he was at the beginning. Its called growth through experience. learn the principle.

Gaz

[_maklelan]

Would it be out of the realm of possibility for you to answer the questions I asked? What relevance is Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church to attempt to sell the copyright to the foundational scripture of that church? As I recall it was you who injected the concepts of the priesthood and the church as relevant to the discussion. Could you answer the questions?

Jersey Girl

I don't know is the answer to the question, just like it is for every human being on the planet. You may speculate all you want, because you somehow feel that the only possible reason is that he was a fraud, but not only is that an etic presumption that operates only inside your head, but it is based entirely on utter speculation of his motives. There are so many holes in trying to use this argument to prove anything at all that it's ridiculous.

[_Jersey Girl]

Would it be out of the realm of possibility for you to answer the questions I asked? What relevance is Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church to attempt to sell the copyright to the foundational scripture of that church? As I recall it was you who injected the concepts of the priesthood and the church as relevant to the discussion. Could you answer the questions?

Jersey Girl

I don't know is the answer to the question, just like it is for every human being on the planet. You may speculate all you want, because you somehow feel that the only possible reason is that he was a fraud, but not only is that an etic presumption that operates only inside your head, but it is based entirely on utter speculation of his motives. There are so many holes in trying to use this argument to prove anything at all that it's ridiculous.

maklelan,

These are your words:

"Why would he need to hold on to it? He has the priesthood and the church."

I have asked you to explain that statement. I have not tried to "argue" anything to "prove" anything here. I have simply asked you to explain the statement that you made regarding the issue of Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church.

Jersey Girl

[_maklelan]

Would it be out of the realm of possibility for you to answer the questions I asked? What relevance is Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church to attempt to sell the copyright to the foundational scripture of that church? As I recall it was you who injected the concepts of the priesthood and the church as relevant to the discussion. Could you answer the questions?

Jersey Girl

I don't know is the answer to the question, just like it is for every human being on the planet. You may speculate all you want, because you somehow feel that the only possible reason is that he was a fraud, but not only is that an etic presumption that operates only inside your head, but it is based entirely on utter speculation of his motives. There are so many holes in trying to use this argument to prove anything at all that it's ridiculous.

maklelan,

These are your words:

"Why would he need to hold on to it? He has the priesthood and the church."

I have asked you to explain that statement. I have not tried to "argue" anything to "prove" anything here. I have simply asked you to explain the statement that you made regarding the issue of Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church.

Jersey Girl

I didn't know that was the question you referred to. I thought it was self-explanatory, but he has the priesthood, so he has everything he needs to guide and direct the church according to the will of the Lord. Why does the lack of a copyright make this any more difficult?

[_Jersey Girl]

Would it be out of the realm of possibility for you to answer the questions I asked? What relevance is Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church to attempt to sell the copyright to the foundational scripture of that church? As I recall it was you who injected the concepts of the priesthood and the church as relevant to the discussion. Could you answer the questions?

Jersey Girl

I don't know is the answer to the question, just like it is for every human being on the planet. You may speculate all you want, because you somehow feel that the only possible reason is that he was a fraud, but not only is that an etic presumption that operates only inside your head, but it is based entirely on utter speculation of his motives. There are so many holes in trying to use this argument to prove anything at all that it's ridiculous.

maklelan,

These are your words:

"Why would he need to hold on to it? He has the priesthood and the church."

I have asked you to explain that statement. I have not tried to "argue" anything to "prove" anything here. I have simply asked you to explain the statement that you made regarding the issue of Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church.

Jersey Girl

I didn't know that was the question you referred to. I thought it was self-explanatory, but he has the priesthood, so he has everything he needs to guide and direct the church according to the will of the Lord. Why does the lack of a copyright make this any more difficult?

I think that lack of copyright would have made it difficult for Joseph Smith to establish the church when another person or organization would hold the copyright to the foundational scriptures of the church and could claim it as theirs. Does that make sense?

Jersey Girl

[_maklelan]

Would it be out of the realm of possibility for you to answer the questions I asked? What relevance is Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church to attempt to sell the copyright to the foundational scripture of that church? As I recall it was you who injected the concepts of the priesthood and the church as relevant to the discussion. Could you answer the questions?

Jersey Girl

I don't know is the answer to the question, just like it is for every human being on the planet. You may speculate all you want, because you somehow feel that the only possible reason is that he was a fraud, but not only is that an etic presumption that operates only inside your head, but it is based entirely on utter speculation of his motives. There are so many holes in trying to use this argument to prove anything at all that it's ridiculous.

maklelan,

These are your words:

"Why would he need to hold on to it? He has the priesthood and the church."

I have asked you to explain that statement. I have not tried to "argue" anything to "prove" anything here. I have simply asked you to explain the statement that you made regarding the issue of Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church.

Jersey Girl

I didn't know that was the question you referred to. I thought it was self-explanatory, but he has the priesthood, so he has everything he needs to guide and direct the church according to the will of the Lord. Why does the lack of a copyright make this any more difficult?

I think that lack of copyright would have made it difficult for Joseph Smith to establish the church when another person or organization would hold the copyright to the foundational scriptures of the church and could claim it as theirs. Does that make sense?

Jersey Girl

Who did he try to sell it to?

[_Jersey Girl]

Would it be out of the realm of possibility for you to answer the questions I asked? What relevance is Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church to attempt to sell the copyright to the foundational scripture of that church? As I recall it was you who injected the concepts of the priesthood and the church as relevant to the discussion. Could you answer the questions?

Jersey Girl

I don't know is the answer to the question, just like it is for every human being on the planet. You may speculate all you want, because you somehow feel that the only possible reason is that he was a fraud, but not only is that an etic presumption that operates only inside your head, but it is based entirely on utter speculation of his motives. There are so many holes in trying to use this argument to prove anything at all that it's ridiculous.

maklelan,

These are your words:

"Why would he need to hold on to it? He has the priesthood and the church."

I have asked you to explain that statement. I have not tried to "argue" anything to "prove" anything here. I have simply asked you to explain the statement that you made regarding the issue of Joseph Smith having the priesthood and the church.

Jersey Girl

I didn't know that was the question you referred to. I thought it was self-explanatory, but he has the priesthood, so he has everything he needs to guide and direct the church according to the will of the Lord. Why does the lack of a copyright make this any more difficult?

I think that lack of copyright would have made it difficult for Joseph Smith to establish the church when another person or organization would hold the copyright to the foundational scriptures of the church and could claim it as theirs. Does that make sense?

Jersey Girl

Who did he try to sell it to?

maklelan gets back on the horse! He sent Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery to a location in Toronto to sell it. Would you like me to search online for it?

Jersey Girl

[_maklelan]

I'd love to.