Plutarch wrote:Mister Scratch operates by the rule that the absence of evidence for a proposition is evidence for that proposition. More foolish, unread posters exist on this board, but not many.
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No, he is operating on the proper logical method of ruling out the truthfulness of something. This, for your education is part of falsification.
maklelan wrote:It's not tithing money, so what do you care?
Since the books are closed, you cannot rule out the possibility that tithing money in some form was used.
They said it was not. I've been a part of the church financial sytem, and I know how fiercely they protect whatever moneys are considered sacred. That's a bold accusation to make, and without any evidence too.
Everything comes from tithing. Directly or indirectly. You can fool yourself and say that it is not tithing if its been "spiritually laundered" nbut when it comes down to it, tithing money spent on something that is then turned into an assett, lets say a real estate endeavor or stock purchase, is still tithing money.
Pootard, give me ten thousand dollars and then I can invest that in something. I don't have to pay you back because, well, that's not your money any longer. Of course, people voluntarilly give up their money for tithing so this is a bad analogy but you get the point.
You're not considering the GA's who live the law of consecration, as well as other donations made by wealthy members purely to build up the kingdom.
Where do you get this information? I wsant you to show me the ledgers and reciepts, bank statements and such...oh, that's right, we (meaning YOU and I) don't have access to them.
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maklelan wrote:It's not tithing money, so what do you care?
I don't care where it comes from (and you can't prove it's not tithing, as Scratch just pointed out). It's gonna cost one whale of a lot of money ($6-8 billion!) Do you know how many hospitals could be built in Africa with that kind of money? How many homeless shelters? How many children could be fed and clothed with that amount of money? ARGH!!!!!
Don't worry about it harm, Maklelan says that some suburban kids will be able to get jobs at Hot Dog on a Stick. that's a charitable cause, right Maklelan?
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VegasRefugee wrote:Where do you get this information? I wsant you to show me the ledgers and reciepts, bank statements and such...oh, that's right, we (meaning YOU and I) don't have access to them.
But I've been told what they say by someone who not only had access, but ran the whole thing. You have not. You're speculating, and I'm telling you what I was taught by a man who was in charge of them. You're trying to paint this as an even playing field, but it's not.
maklelan wrote:It's not tithing money, so what do you care?
What money is it, maklelan?
Jersey Girl
I've already explained. The church has several different businesses that it runs, and they were started through donations that had nothing \to do with tithing. They are very, very strict about what is done with sacred funds, which is why they restrict what missionaries can and can not spend their money on. The higher up you go the more restrictions.
maklelan wrote:It's not tithing money, so what do you care?
What money is it, maklelan?
Jersey Girl
I've already explained. The church has several different businesses that it runs, and they were started through donations that had nothing \to do with tithing. They are very, very strict about what is done with sacred funds, which is why they restrict what missionaries can and can not spend their money on. The higher up you go the more restrictions.
This statement goes directly against their behavior. I find it funny that they can play the stock market with tithing funds but have "sacred rules" on the sending of such money.
And why does a church need businesses anyway? Where do the profits go? There are too man y questions for this operation to be above board.
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maklelan wrote:It's not tithing money, so what do you care?
What money is it, maklelan?
Jersey Girl
I've already explained. The church has several different businesses that it runs, and they were started through donations that had nothing \to do with tithing. They are very, very strict about what is done with sacred funds, which is why they restrict what missionaries can and can not spend their money on. The higher up you go the more restrictions.
This statement goes directly against their behavior. I find it funny that they can play the stock market with tithing funds but have "sacred rules" on the sending of such money.
And why does a church need businesses anyway? Where do the profits go? There are too man y questions for this operation to be above board.
Play the stock market? That's a new one to me. What are you talking about, vegas?
maklelan wrote:It's not tithing money, so what do you care?
First off saying it isn't tithing money is nothing more than accounting tricks. Once you put some dollars in a bank account and then pull out some dollars, I defy you to show me the exact source of the funds withdrawn. It is more appropriate to say that if 80% of your funds originate from tithing and 20% originate elsewhere, that 80% of the project is funded with tithing funds. And even if you keep the funds in separate accounts it really amounts to the same thing.
Second even if the funds aren't tithing funds today, the source of the original capital to generate these funds came from tithing or the donated labor of church members.
Third why do I care? because I've given a lot of money to the church and I for one would like them to give me an accounting for where the heck the money goes.
maklelan wrote:It's not tithing money, so what do you care?
Since the books are closed, you cannot rule out the possibility that tithing money in some form was used.
They said it was not. I've been a part of the church financial sytem, and I know how fiercely they protect whatever moneys are considered sacred. That's a bold accusation to make, and without any evidence too.
I didn't make any "accusation." You are the one without any concrete evidence. And the Church refuses to provide any. Thus, you cannot rule out the possibility that the mall was paid for using tithing money.