DCP Publishes Material from this Board---Sans Attribution!

[_dartagnan]

You might want to check the old disclaimer for FAIR's registration. I am pretty sure it said that once you register, all of your posts become the property of FAIR, and under that fine print, just below the "Powered by phpBB" writing, it said you also grant FAIR property rights over any posts you make elsewhere on the internet.

Those guys seem to think they own everything and they are hypocrites to a staggering degree when it comes to griping about other forums that gripe about them.

[_wenglund]

Which parts had been used and who originally wrote them?

(I'm not being lazy. I read through it but couldn't figure out which parts you're talking about)

Bond

Here is the lead-in to Mr. Scratch's quote:

"My comment provoked the following fascinating response from a vocal critic of FARMS and of the church (who, ironically, posts under a pseudonym)":

Here is the quote:

"I take this . . . as tacit admission on DCP's part that FARMS peer review consists of a bunch of Church "yes men" giving the rubber stamp of approval. Here is also further confirmation of DCP's desire to keep the FARMS peer review process a big secret, probably because he knows that "exposure" would reveal the small, cabal-like group that does the reviewing."

Other quotes throughout the piece are also attributed to "vocal critics".

So, there were attributions after all--attributions which preserved the desired anonymity of those operating under pseudonyms.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Bond...James Bond]

Which parts had been used and who originally wrote them?

(I'm not being lazy. I read through it but couldn't figure out which parts you're talking about)

Bond

Here is the lead-in to Mr. Scratch's quote:

"My comment provoked the following fascinating response from a vocal critic of FARMS and of the church (who, ironically, posts under a pseudonym)":

Here is the quote:

"I take this . . . as tacit admission on DCP's part that FARMS peer review consists of a bunch of Church "yes men" giving the rubber stamp of approval. Here is also further confirmation of DCP's desire to keep the FARMS peer review process a big secret, probably because he knows that "exposure" would reveal the small, cabal-like group that does the reviewing."

Other quotes throughout the piece are also attributed to "vocal critics".

So, there were attributions after all--attributions which preserved the desired anonymity of those operating under pseudonyms.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Thanks Wade.

[_Jersey Girl]

Kevin Graham isn't anonymous and I don't know about Rollo. You might want to look up internet copyright law as it applies to the use of pseudonyms. Just a suggestion. If I recall correctly, there is some protection for anonymous person's who publish on boards like this using pseudonyms. Was Mark Twain an anonymous dork? Just curious....Jersey Girl

I was told by the person using the screen name of Kevin Graham that that is not his real name. I don't know about Rollo.

And, do you seriously think it reasonable to compare Mark Twain with Mr. Scratch?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Yes, of course it's reasonable, Wade. Both are authors who have or are now publishing using pseudonyms. Your personal evaluation of their work is entirely irrelevant.

Jersey Girl

[_dartagnan]

All kidding aside DCP is being irresponsible and clumsy for not providing documentation for the citation.

The whole point for documentation is so onlookers can view the context and double-check the argument for consistency with what was actually said. He also opens himself up to allegations of fabricating a citation for straw man purposes.

And since it is a pseudonym, how do we not know the person posting isn't just a Mormon trying to make antis look bad? I know Muslims who do this all the flippin time.

[_Nightingale]

dartagnan said:

"You might want to check the old disclaimer for FAIR's registration. I am pretty sure it said that once you register, all of your posts become the property of FAIR, and under that fine print, just below the "Powered by phpBB" writing, it said you also grant FAIR property rights over any posts you make elsewhere on the internet."

I've only been reading FAIR/MADB for a few months but for sure I have never seen that claim to own rights to all your posts on the entire Internet. I would have to see it in print, on their site, to believe they would actually say that. How could they possibly claim those rights? And how could they enforce them? Perhaps it is their apparent perusal of ex-Mormon boards you are thinking of, when they apparently may use what you write to ban you from their site? I've read that they do that. They don't actually state that in their guidelines though. :)


This is all I see in their rulebook re copyright.

MADB (Current Guidelines):

“By posting on Mormon Apologetics and Discussion Board you agree to the terms and conditions of this service, and assign the copyright and use right in the material posted to MA&D. Materials posted on the Mormon Apologetics and Discussion Board may not be reproduced elsewhere without the permission of MA&D and the materials' posters.”

[_Mercury]

Wow! Well, I have to say that I am flattered that the Good Professor feels that my critique is worth of mention in such a "scholarly" journal as FARMS Review! Check it out:

http://farms.BYU.edu/display.php?table=review&id=621

I should probably say that my quote is the one that mentions a "cabal of 'yes-men." Of course, the average reader isn't going to know that, since DCP didn't bother to use appropriate attribution!. Come now, last time I checked, the standards for citation listed by the MLA, or the APA had updated themselves to reckon with our new, digital, Internet days! So why doesn't Professor Peterson at least acknowledge that he lifted these quotes from this website? I'm so hurt!

Anyways, I intend to post a more in-depth rebuttal to this intro in a couple of days or so. I just thought I'd call everyone's attention to this very intriguing article. Also, unless I'm mistaken, he printed material written by Kevin Graham and Rollo Tomasi as well (also unattributed).

No citations!?!?!?

Leave it to Peterson to be unfamiliar with the processes of academia.

[_rcrocket]

Kevin Graham isn't anonymous and I don't know about Rollo. You might want to look up internet copyright law as it applies to the use of pseudonyms. Just a suggestion. If I recall correctly, there is some protection for anonymous person's who publish on boards like this using pseudonyms.

Was Mark Twain an anonymous dork? Just curious....

Jersey Girl

Graham has said that Graham is not his real name.

Mark Twain was not an anonymous dork; he was a psuedonymous dork. As we have discussed many times before, the two are different.

P

[_Polygamy Porter]

Peterson is an attention whore.

If all that we exmormons have to say is so false and uneducated in his eyes, why does he spend so f'cking much time lurking, reading, whining and now publishing in the renowned FARMS fishwrap?

I wonder if my comments about that attention whore will ever grace his whoa-is-me-poor-picked-on-mormon signature line over in the cat box known as MAAD.

Hey Dan, it sucks knowing that you wasted your life defending the indefensible doesn't it?

[_rcrocket]

And then there are vulgar anonymous dorks.

P