Mitt Romney busted on TV for lying about Mormon doctrine!!

[_Mercury]

Nice try PP, but its so easy to dismantle slush like this that its almost beyond respectablilty as an educated Latter Day Saint.

In the first place, we need to be on gaurd for the standard Leftist medai gotchya jounalism from the outset. Stephie's actual question, the question he claimed he actually asked Mitt, is not present in the video, nor is Mitt's entire answer, which has obviously been edited. This looks like the old Sixty Minutes technique of shooting hours of film during an interview and then editing that down to a few minutes of highly fragmented diaglog. One can get anyone to say anthing one wants in this way, irregardless of what the interviewee actually said.

The most interesting thing about this whole thing is that what Mitt said was doctrinally correct, as far as we have the entire interview (which ABC apparantly didn't want us to see) and Stephie's analysis of Mormon doctrine is false. The Church doesn't teach that the New Jeurusalem will be in America and not in the Middle East. The Church teaches that there will be two great world centers of government from which Christ will rule the millenial earth: one in the old world Jeurusalem, and another in North America.

So Stephie has it wrong (and if he has really talked to a Mormon spokesperson (whome, conveinently, he does not name), he would have been apprised of this. Or was he, but he just happened to omit that little caveat?) and the Romney interview is so highly edited as to make it impossible to ascertain the totality of Romney's answer (to what question we don't know, as Stephie didn't let us hear the original question, but only his claim as to what it contained).

These are all the old liberal media tricks of the trade to which we've all become accustomed over the last 35 years or so, and neither PP, ABC, or any of the old media are fooling anywhere near as many of us as they were once able to do.

Try again PP, but this time at least give it the old college try.

WTF are you talking about? is Jesus going to return to Jerusalem or Missouri you dodgy apologist?

when are you going to start splitting hairs on the definition of "is"?

[_Who Knows]

Mormons do not believe Jesus will return to reign over just the US. They believe he will visit, along with Adam all the priesthood leadership of the Church at Adam on Diahman, prior to his general appearence in Jerusalem and in ZION, shich LDS believe will still be in Jackson County Missouri.

Study up boys on out doctrine a bit would ya.

Did you watch the clip Jason? He said that Mormons believe that Jesus will return to earth in the US, and then rule during the millenium. He didn't say he'd rule the US.

The big lie is when romney says something along the lines of "our beliefs in this regard are no different than what other christian churches believe" (i'm paraphrasing here).

Uh, yeah right.

[_Polygamy Porter]

Nice try PP, but its so easy to dismantle slush like this that its almost beyond respectablilty as an educated Latter Day Saint.

In the first place, we need to be on gaurd for the standard Leftist medai gotchya jounalism from the outset. Stephie's actual question, the question he claimed he actually asked Mitt, is not present in the video, nor is Mitt's entire answer, which has obviously been edited. This looks like the old Sixty Minutes technique of shooting hours of film during an interview and then editing that down to a few minutes of highly fragmented diaglog. One can get anyone to say anthing one wants in this way, irregardless of what the interviewee actually said.

The most interesting thing about this whole thing is that what Mitt said was doctrinally correct, as far as we have the entire interview (which ABC apparantly didn't want us to see) and Stephie's analysis of Mormon doctrine is false. The Church doesn't teach that the New Jeurusalem will be in America and not in the Middle East. The Church teaches that there will be two great world centers of government from which Christ will rule the millenial earth: one in the old world Jeurusalem, and another in North America.

So Stephie has it wrong (and if he has really talked to a Mormon spokesperson (whome, conveinently, he does not name), he would have been apprised of this. Or was he, but he just happened to omit that little caveat?) and the Romney interview is so highly edited as to make it impossible to ascertain the totality of Romney's answer (to what question we don't know, as Stephie didn't let us hear the original question, but only his claim as to what it contained).

These are all the old liberal media tricks of the trade to which we've all become accustomed over the last 35 years or so, and neither PP, ABC, or any of the old media are fooling anywhere near as many of us as they were once able to do.

Try again PP, but this time at least give it the old college try.

WTF are you talking about? is Jesus going to return to Jerusalem or Missouri you dodgy apologist?

when are you going to start splitting hairs on the definition of "is"?

Hey, give him a break... being a Mo'pologist requires one to be skilled in walking a fine line... a STRAIGHT fine line... kinda like the line on the shoulder of the road in the middle of the night....

[_Coggins7]

Did you watch the clip Jason? He said that Mormons believe that Jesus will return to earth in the US, and then rule during the millenium. He didn't say he'd rule the US.

The big lie is when romney says something along the lines of "our beliefs in this regard are no different than what other christian churches believe" (i'm paraphrasing here).

Uh, yeah right.

Romney's not the liar here Who. Care to take a straw?

Strained, desperate, writhing nonarguments such as this are really no fun anymore. They are, indeed, tedious in the extreme.

Go back and read my post (and Jason's) and then please think before posting anything else on this vacuous thread. Jesus will rule the entire world, with the Saints as his Kings and Priests, for a thousand years. Mormon doctrine states there will be two world capitals, both known as Jeurusalem. We don't know if Mitt said anything about that because the interview was edited. Even if he didn't, this is hardly understandable as a "lie" on its face. Perhaps he just didn't think about that aspect of it until the inteview was over. The statement is true, as far as it goes, and reflects Mormon doctrine accurately. Its, not complete, but we don't' know why and, even if he didn't mention the "New Jerusalem" explicitly, this hardly counts as a lie unless one has a predjudicial animaus aginast him in some a priori sense.

This hysterical exercise in anti-Mormon bigotry needs to fade to page two as quickly as possible.

[_Who Knows]

Romney's not the liar here Who. Care to take a straw?

Strained, desperate, writhing nonarguments such as this are really no fun anymore. They are, indeed, tedious in the extreme.

Go back and read my post (and Jason's) and then please think before posting anything else on this vacuous thread. Jesus will rule the entire world, with the Saints as his Kings and Priests, for a thousand years. Mormon doctrine states there will be two world capitals, both known as Jeurusalem. We don't know if Mitt said anything about that because the interview was edited. Even if he didn't, this is hardly understandable as a "lie" on its face. Perhaps he just didn't think about that aspect of it until the inteview was over. The statement is true, as far as it goes, and reflects Mormon doctrine accurately. Its, not complete, but we don't' know why and, even if he didn't mention the "New Jerusalem" explicitly, this hardly counts as a lie unless one has a predjudicial animaus aginast him in some a priori sense.

This hysterical exercise in anti-Mormon bigotry needs to fade to page two as quickly as possible.

So when Romney says (paraphrasing) 'we believe Jesus will return to jerusalem, to the mount of olives - our beliefs are the same as other christians' you're ok with that? Especially given the fact that this was in answer to the question of whether Jesus will make his glorious return to earth in the US? You can speculate all you want about what mitt could have said, or what they edited out, etc. But as it is, as it was shown, what he said was a lie. He knows (or should know) full well that LDS beliefs in this regard are QUITE DIFFERENT than most christian churches, and can hardly be called THE SAME.

And you can stop with the church lesson - i know what the church teaches.

[_Polygamy Porter]

Bottom line, most non Mormons will take this as FACT.

Even worse, if they question it, will they call up you to 'splain it all? HELL NO! They will consult the new Nauvoo Expositor, GOOGLE. Sides that, Mitt already told the press to do so concerning the green and white Mormon masonic temple of doom ceremony!

So, feel free to cast your pithy little vote IF he gets the nomination. Every US Mormon could vote for him and it won't matter.

It's a great time to be an exmormon isn't it?

[_maklelan]

So when Romney says (paraphrasing) 'we believe Jesus will return to jerusalem, to the mount of olives - our beliefs are the same as other christians' you're ok with that? Especially given the fact that this was in answer to the question of whether Jesus will make his glorious return to earth in the US? You can speculate all you want about what mitt could have said, or what they edited out, etc. But as it is, as it was shown, what he said was a lie. He knows (or should know) full well that LDS beliefs in this regard are QUITE DIFFERENT than most christian churches, and can hardly be called THE SAME.

And you can stop with the church lesson - i know what the church teaches.

Evidently not. The church teaches that Jesus will meet privately with members in Adam-ondi-ahman completely unknown to the rest of the world. He will also privately visit some temples, just as he already has several times, but regarding his "glorious return to earth," it will happen on the Mount of Olives, just like other Christian faiths believe. The only difference is that we believe he will privately visit us before his glorious return to earth. Romney has said absolutely nothing that is untrue. It's not a lie and you betray your ignorance of our doctrine with this accusation that it is.

[_Polygamy Porter]

So when Romney says (paraphrasing) 'we believe Jesus will return to jerusalem, to the mount of olives - our beliefs are the same as other christians' you're ok with that? Especially given the fact that this was in answer to the question of whether Jesus will make his glorious return to earth in the US? You can speculate all you want about what mitt could have said, or what they edited out, etc. But as it is, as it was shown, what he said was a lie. He knows (or should know) full well that LDS beliefs in this regard are QUITE DIFFERENT than most christian churches, and can hardly be called THE SAME.

And you can stop with the church lesson - i know what the church teaches.

Evidently not. The church teaches that Jesus will meet privately with members in Adam-ondi-ahman completely unknown to the rest of the world. He will also privately visit some temples, just as he already has several times, but regarding his "glorious return to earth," it will happen on the Mount of Olives, just like other Christian faiths believe. The only difference is that we believe he will privately visit us before his glorious return to earth. Romney has said absolutely nothing that is untrue. It's not a lie and you betray your ignorance of our doctrine with this accusation that it is.

So then, Jesus favors the Mormons over the rest of the world?
That is a great sound bite.

Also, do you have some temple videos that show ol Jebus visiting these temples you mentioned?

Evidence please.

[_Jason Bourne]

Article of Faith #10

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal[sic] glory.

Yes I said that. And so did Coggins, The earth is not America. LDS believe there will be two seats of worls power, Jerusalem and ZION. That is different then stating he will rule from America as if it is solely from America..

But you know really, BIG DEAL.

[_Jason Bourne]

Mormons do not believe Jesus will return to reign over just the US. They believe he will visit, along with Adam all the priesthood leadership of the Church at Adam on Diahman, prior to his general appearence in Jerusalem and in ZION, shich LDS believe will still be in Jackson County Missouri.

Study up boys on out doctrine a bit would ya.

Did you watch the clip Jason? He said that Mormons believe that Jesus will return to earth in the US, and then rule during the millenium. He didn't say he'd rule the US.

The big lie is when romney says something along the lines of "our beliefs in this regard are no different than what other christian churches believe" (i'm paraphrasing here).

Uh, yeah right.

Yes I did watch the clip and if they are going to talk about "weird" LDS doctrine they sure as hell ought to get it right, which George did not. And anyway, who the hell cares what the Muslims think about what Romeny thinks about where Jesus will reign. Last I checked Muslims are not Christians.