Incidentally, juliann herself once said on the ironically named FAIRboard that she was married to an abusive man for quite some time.
Scratch...I understand the point you are trying to make with this....and you know that there is ABSOLUTELY no love lost between Juliann and I.....but I think that bringing this up is crossing the line. Juliann's personal business is her business. It shouldn't be mulled over here.
You know Liz, I sort of agree with you. Before you found your way over here, I re-posted the old post of hers in which she went into some detail about the whole affair over on the Board Formerly Known as FAIR. I expected to get at least a few finger-wagging replies from people, much in the same vein as what you just wrote. To my surprise, everyone approved of the reposting, and some people even went so far as to say that they felt she deserved the abuse! Now *that* is crossing the line, in my opinion, but I'm afraid I disagree with you about "dishing the dirt" that appears on FAIR/MAD. What is publicly written on that MB is FAIRgame, in my opinion.
Wait...people on THIS board thought she deserved the abuse, or the people on FAIR thought she deserved the abuse? I'm way too tired....sorry.
in my opinion, no one is deserving of abuse...period. Whoever said she deserved it was completely wrong and insensitive.
And, I understand that the material is "FAIRgame"......I just think that there are some things we should rise above. ;)
I love Asbestosman's new signature line. He doesn't need it, really, but all the critics need something like that to show their perpetual humility before the whims of MAD's anonymods. It's been pretty awful the last week or so.
Check out the thread called "How Conclusive is DNA evidence" started by PhysicsDude.
See post #30 by Helmuth Hubener touting David Stewart's FAIR paper,
see my response in #34,
see Hubner's gracious reply in #49,
Fortigurn complementing Hubner in #50,
and finally the moderator reprimanding Fortigurn for "constant mockery of other posters"!
Unbelievable! The bias at MAD has never been more blatant. I'm really feeling demoralized by the way things have turned for the worst.
From the rules: "Do not engage in jeering or mockery of the Latter-day Saints or participants on this board." Jeering and mockery of Latter-day Saints is prohibited. Jeering and mockery of evangelicals and atheists, however, does not seem to be similarly taboo.
Several weeks ago Charity asked me, in a post in a thread, if I would remove a quote from my sig that I had from her that showed her in a somewhat unfavorable light. I didn't realize the policy on the board required people to remove a quote from someone if they asked. Just a few minutes later she posted again, this time with a threat. Rather than satisfy her demand immediately, because I don't like being demanded this way, I decided to think about it for a while, but intended to remove it later that day. Well, within a very short time the sig line from Charity was gone. A mod had gone in and removed it. I was upset that this was done with no PM telling me it was done or any kind of message in any way, so I started a thread and explained that this had been done, and complained about it. Well, complaining about the mods acting in this way got me suspended for a week.
So, today, when all of my sig quotes from Hammer and Kemara just spontaneously disappeared, leaving only my quote from Bertrand Russell, I was curious, as neither Hammer nor Kemara had ever said anything to me about them. I figured the mods, who have been really cracking down hard the last few days, had decided to ban sig quotes that would cast another poster in an unfavorable light.
So I posted the thread that is the topic of this thread over here. I specifically stated that it was not a complaint, and asked not to be suspended, because it was a thread I started to inquire about why some mod ninja-edited my sig line, and the last time I did that, where it was obvious that I was in fact complaining about it, I got suspended. I didn't want to get suspended again, but I did want to know what the heck was going on with regards the sig quotes.
That's it, really. I'm not sure how I feel about the comments made about me in this thread over here. Was I "groveling" to the MADB mods? I personally don't really give a shyte. They've got different mods, who will play their game how they will play it. It's really not my problem. I wish to continue posting over there, and if that means I have to play the game by their rules, then so be it. It's their football. No part of my ego requires that I not play by the rules some TBM sets up and enforces. I don't feel oppressed or anything like that. In fact, to be honest, I post over there quite a bit, and state that the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham are fairy tails, Joseph Smith made it all up and was not the virtuous guy TBMs grow up thinking he is, etc., and this is on a mormon-controlled bulletin board.
So they can dictate their rules, and I'll do my best to follow them, and in the end some TBM owns a board where I'm allowed to tell the world what I think about the LDS church, which is that it's an organization of well-intending individuals who unfortunately are teaching for doctrines the precepts of men, mingled with scripture. It's man made. Joseph Smith made it up. Brigham Young kept it alive when it should otherwise have fallen apart, and now it's taken a life of its own, just like the JWs, the 7th Day Adventists, Islam, Roman Catholicism, and all the rest. The Book of Abraham is a farce. Seriously, who's really taking it up the tailpipe here?
Sethbag wrote:That's it, really. I'm not sure how I feel about the comments made about me in this thread over here. Was I "groveling" to the MADB mods? I personally don't really give a shyte. They've got different mods, who will play their game how they will play it. It's really not my problem. I wish to continue posting over there, and if that means I have to play the game by their rules, then so be it. It's their football. No part of my ego requires that I not play by the rules some TBM sets up and enforces. I don't feel oppressed or anything like that. In fact, to be honest, I post over there quite a bit, and state that the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham are fairy tails, Joseph Smith made it all up and was not the virtuous guy TBMs grow up thinking he is, etc., and this is on a mormon-controlled bulletin board.
So they can dictate their rules, and I'll do my best to follow them, and in the end some TBM owns a board where I'm allowed to tell the world what I think about the LDS church, which is that it's an organization of well-intending individuals who unfortunately are teaching for doctrines the precepts of men, mingled with scripture. It's man made. Joseph Smith made it up. Brigham Young kept it alive when it should otherwise have fallen apart, and now it's taken a life of its own, just like the JWs, the 7th Day Adventists, Islam, Roman Catholicism, and all the rest. The Book of Abraham is a farce. Seriously, who's really taking it up the tailpipe here?
Seems fair enough to me (no pun intended). If you want to post over there, you have to play by their rules. I'm not sure that counts as groveling.
Sethbag wrote:I wish to continue posting over there, and if that means I have to play the game by their rules, then so be it.
Just your posting here will put you in jeopardy at FAIR/MAD. The FAIR Mods regularly monitor this site, and several folks have been banned at FAIR/MAD simply for participating here. They are vengeful turds.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Sethbag wrote:So I posted the thread that is the topic of this thread over here. I specifically stated that it was not a complaint, and asked not to be suspended, because it was a thread I started to inquire about why some mod ninja-edited my sig line, and the last time I did that, where it was obvious that I was in fact complaining about it, I got suspended. I didn't want to get suspended again, but I did want to know what the heck was going on with regards the sig quotes.
Hey, Seth...just for curiosity's sake...What did you find out? Why had they edited your sig? Did they ever respond?
liz3564 wrote: Hey, Seth...just for curiosity's sake...What did you find out? Why had they edited your sig? Did they ever respond?
Here's the party line.
Momus wrote:No complaints in the report box. Every admin/mod action is logged even removing a log entry is logged. Its a mystery we may never know. I'm sure if we wait a few hours we can come up with some good conspiracy theories.
My guess:
A senior mod deleted them at the request of someone. The junior mods are throwing their hands in the air and saying "They just disappeared....like all that Book of Mormon evidence...it's a mystery....The critics are evil and will talk about us for not knowing....wait for the conspiracy theories on this one." I'd bet one of the junior mods is biting the bullet for the actions of a senior mod.
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
A senior mod deleted them at the request of someone. The junior mods are throwing their hands in the air and saying "They just disappeared....like all that Book of Mormon evidence...it's a mystery....The critics are evil and will talk about us for not knowing....wait for the conspiracy theories on this one." I'd bet one of the junior mods is biting the bullet for the actions of a senior mod.
I think you're right, Bond. Let the conspiracy theories commence! LOL
I can't believe they're claiming it was a "database error". That would have to be some coincidental database error for just Seth's sig lines to be removed. ;)
A senior mod deleted them at the request of someone. The junior mods are throwing their hands in the air and saying "They just disappeared....like all that Book of Mormon evidence...it's a mystery....The critics are evil and will talk about us for not knowing....wait for the conspiracy theories on this one." I'd bet one of the junior mods is biting the bullet for the actions of a senior mod.
My guess: a senior mod deleted them without anyone's request, simply because he/she thought they were an example of bad critic behavior. Nobody was complaining about me on Monday when Chaos(?) started singling out my comments and use of emoticons (!) as unseemly, and suggested I leave MAD. Nobody was complaining about Fortigurn yesterday when a moderator told him he was on his last leg for complementing somebody. At least one moderator is swooping in on threads, reading things out of context and misinterpreting them, and then threatening critic posters with expulsion. Things have changed over there.