What Repels Mormons, make it Funny

[_Mercury]

I think destructive threads should be in the Telestial forum.

Actually, I see this as very constructive, just poorly implemented.

That's a good point. Another reason for it to be cleaned up or moved to the Telestial forum.

Why? Because it underlines the marginalized nature of Mormonism?

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

Mods please don't move this thread. We need a humorous thread here and there is really nothing that is offensive in these lists. Some people just lack a sense of humor. I am enjoying everyones lists so far. Thanks to you all.

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

53. Jews

54. Catholics

55.Baptists

56. Methodists

57. Unitarians

58. Protestants

59. Any other religion

[_wenglund]

Mods please don't move this thread. We need a humorous thread here and there is really nothing that is offensive in these lists. Some people just lack a sense of humor. I am enjoying everyones lists so far. Thanks to you all.

Isn't feeling the need to make fun at the expense of other people's beliefs, a red flag that something is amise internally (i.e. one is hurting inside, and so one feels a need to externalize and spread the hurt)? While growing up I noticed that to be the case both with bullies as well as certain mean-spirited jokesters. Many people have come to view racist jokes that way.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_marg]

Isn't feeling the need to make fun at the expense of other people's beliefs, a red flag that something is amise internally (i.e. one is hurting inside, and so one feels a need to externalize and spread the hurt)? While growing up I noticed that to be the case both with bullies as well as certain mean-spirited jokesters. Many people have come to view racist jokes that way.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Why do those lists hurt? Coggins was writing poems and making it out that anyone who wasn't Mormons was immoral..they were all alcoholics, adulterers etc. And I'm sure this is something he truly believes. And he's not the only Mormon I've seen that attitude from. What on those lists is so offensive and why?

[_Coggins7]

Why do those lists hurt? Coggins was writing poems and making it out that anyone who wasn't Mormons was immoral..they were all alcoholics, adulterers etc. And I'm sure this is something he truly believes. And he's not the only Mormon I've seen that attitude from. What on those lists is so offensive and why?

I'd like to see a shed of evidence that I have ever made out anyone who wasn't Mormon to be "immoral". Many of my most cherished and important intellectual and philosophical mentors are not LDS, nor even part of this age. You're claims about what I and other supposed Mormons believe is, of course, your own self serving characature, and one which I'm sure makes you feel justified in defending the cartoonization of LDS beliefs and culture above.

My poens and song lyircs are intended to poke holes and step on sacred anti and exmo cows of course, but they are, like all parody, intended both to exaggerate those tnedencies I see as well as lay bair the grains of truth that lie at the base of all true satire.

Much could be said about what Mormons don't like regarding the above posts, suffice it to say that the Lion's share of it appears to be dissapppintment with Mormonism's opposition to a long laundry list of trendy pop philosophies, intellectual fads, and Leftist social nostrums. Those damn Mormons just seem to have missed the Sixties althogether. How awful.


Loran

[_maklelan]

Why do those lists hurt? Coggins was writing poems and making it out that anyone who wasn't Mormons was immoral..they were all alcoholics, adulterers etc. And I'm sure this is something he truly believes. And he's not the only Mormon I've seen that attitude from. What on those lists is so offensive and why?

So two wrongs make a right? Or is it that if he's allowed to do it then why can't you?

I'm not really offended by anything on this list, but much of it does betray a reductionist point of view and a generalizing perspective, and I find those two proclivities to be incredibly harmful to someone's reputation as a brilliant rhetorician and scholar (which everyone on this board purports to be). What these lists do is make me think that they don't really understand Mormonism half as well as they claim to. Any idiot can read a website and memorize quotes about how shifty and low the Mormons are, but it takes someone with a real brain to be able to recognize when things on the surface do not accurately represent the issues. I've seen several of the regulars on this board show that they are capable of looking deeper into an issue than is required to make them feel vindicated about their mistrust and prejudice, but I've never seen it consistently. I'll be the first to admit that I often reduce arguments to where they're easier to handle, but I try to be honest when someone shows I'm unprepared or have judged incorrectly. One thing, however, that makes me (and I'm sure most) less inclined to do so is the constant insulting and belittling. I'm trying to get better about that, and it would be a whole lot more productive if it were reciprocal. A few examples of how I think these lists do and do not show a rudimentary understanding of Mormonism:

1. Teased hair
2. Beer
3. Coffee
4. Alcohol
5. Swearing
6. Piercings
7. Tattoos
8. No garmies
9. Free thinkers
10. Not much else really

I think this sticks pretty close to your desire to keep it funny. We often make fun of ourselves for some of these things.

21. Science
22. Logic
23. Sexual Freedom
24. Feminism
25. Opening the Books
26. Real music
27. Bongo the Pearl Diving Chimp
28. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
29. Cabo Wabo Tequila
30. The possibility that Jesus drank wine and not Welsh's Grape Juice.

The first one isn't funny, it's just mean. Latter-day Saints have been on the cutting edge of science for a long, long time. This just makes fun of some people in the church who deny certain scientific arguments that you feel are incompatible with religion. I think there are some Latter-day Saints who don't want to bother with science, but there are many more who contribute greatly to it.

The second one isn't really funny. It would be funny if it were peculiar to Mormonism, and if it were something stereotypically Mormon, but anyone can be accused of avoiding logic, so it's not funny and it's highly inaccurate. I invite someone to point out an example of something illogical to which we subscribe.

The last one is just stupid. I'm sure there are a couple of Latter-day Saints out there who say this, but they're a pretty slim minority and they usually get corrected quick enough. Why would someone be fine with Joseph Smith drinking wine, but not with Jesus doing it? The real explanation that Latter-day Saints use is that everyone drank wine because it had a sterilizing quality. Not only is this one one dumb, but it's Welch's, not Welsh's.

From here on out the any attempt at being humorous is merely a false pretense for getting to take simplistic jabs at caricatures of the church as a whole.

[_Fortigurn]

...a brilliant rhetorician and scholar (which everyone on this board purports to be).

I really don't think everyone on this board purports to be 'a brilliant rhetorician and scholar'. I certainly don't.

[_Fortigurn]

From here on out the any attempt at being humorous is merely a false pretense for getting to take simplistic jabs at caricatures of the church as a whole.

I don't think that's strictly true. I think it's more true to say that taking simplistic jabs at caricatures of the church as a whole is what some find humourous. I personally don't like it.

[_maklelan]

...a brilliant rhetorician and scholar (which everyone on this board purports to be).

I really don't think everyone on this board purports to be 'a brilliant rhetorician and scholar'. I certainly don't.

1 - Thank you for correcting the spelling of my name.

2 - Then I object to your judgment of my research as lazy and ask that you explain for which issues you have judged me to be under-prepared.

3 - I appreciate the tone of your response.