considering the truth of the Book of Mormon

[_Mephitus]

that's just it, if i acted to others as *I* want to be treated, i wouldn't speak to anyone. I hate speaking to most of humanity. I mostly just want to be left alone. Let alone that the language that i use would not be as polite.

[_Fortigurn]

that's just it, if I acted to others as *I* want to be treated, I wouldn't speak to anyone. I hate speaking to most of humanity. I mostly just want to be left alone. Let alone that the language that I use would not be as polite.

You said 'expect', not 'want'. You also made it clear that you only do this for 'those that have earned even a modicom of respect from me'. Each to his own I suppose.

[_Mephitus]

I think i should start that most people get a base level of respect from me, they can loose it in any number of ways, but untill you loose it, you still have something to work with.

As one such example, i hate hippies. Anyone looking/acting like one can never gain respect in my eyes. All they ever do is smoke pot, smell bad, and complain about the environment while driving minivans with really bad gas milage.

[Anonymous]

I think I should start that most people get a base level of respect from me, they can loose it in any number of ways, but untill you loose it, you still have something to work with.

That sounds reasonable.

As one such example, I hate hippies. Anyone looking/acting like one can never gain respect in my eyes. All they ever do is smoke pot, smell bad, and complain about the environment while driving minivans with really bad gas milage.

Takes all kinds. Hippies make the grass grow.

[_Mephitus]

hehe, puns...

too bad the worst i smoke is a cigar once in a blue moon.

[_grampa75]

grampa75,

You put alot of work into your post! You ask this question:

"I would like someone to interpret this next verse for me.

Amos 8: 11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord. "

I think that if you study Amos in the historical context in which he prophesied , you will have your answer. The text, in my view, is directed toward a specific group in a specific time period.

Jersey Girl

The time you're speking of in Amos 8: 11 is the time revealing that an apostacy has taken place and that is the very reason that the authority to administer in the Gospel and the true Church of Jesus Christ would have to be restored. If you recall, I wrote the verse out of Amos 3: 7 which informs us that "The Lord God will do nothing but he revealeth His secret to His servants, (who to) the PROPHETS.

grampa75

[_grampa75]

Hi Grampa....

I have a difficult in trying to identify with those who can’t believe in the Mormon Church for one reason or another.

Interesting.... are you saying you do not understand why most people do not believe in your church?

Can you see any possible reasons why it doesn't sound right or seem true? Why it seems like every other religion out there, to many people?

Just curious.... :-)

~dancer~

I'm sorry, but NO I can't. If you only knew the complete plan of God from beginning to end there would be no need to ask such a question. I can't answer that question at this site fully because even the LDS would have a difficult time in believing it. They seem to be under the delusion that all truth has to come from the prophet, when actually it is the members that have that responsibility.

If you would like to discuss this further I have posted me e-mail address here.

grampa75

[_grampa75]

The prophet Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar that when Nebuchadnezzar’s kingdom would be broken up into ten kingdoms, then that would be the time when God would set up his kingdom on the earth, as Nebuchadnezzar saw the Image had ten toes, which stands for the ten kingdoms.

No Daniel didn't. He said that there would be three kingdoms which would come after Nebuchadnezzar's, and that the last one of those would be broken up into weak and strong parts (he said nothing of ten kingdoms). He said that these parts would mingle in unsuccessful attempts to recombine the previous empire. Since the fourth kingdom was Rome, since the Roman empire disintegrated into weak and strong parts, and since that is the empire which the parts have tried to recombine ever since, you should be looking at the European Union as a fulfilment of this prophecy.

Sorry; I have to, once again, disagree. Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar that when his kingdom was divided as the TEN TOES of iron and clay mixture that his kingdom would be divided. And in that DAY shall the God of heaven set up HIS kingdom.

I suppose that anyone can interpret any scripture to suit his own belief criteria, and that is why that Joseph Smith said, "The teachers of the different sects unstood the same scriptures so differently that it destroyed all my confindence in settling a question by an appeal to the Bible."

That is also the reason that other scripture was desperately needed so people can all come to the knowledge of the truth as Ephesians 4: 11-13 enlightens us so adequately.

grampa75

[_ozemc]

Hi Grampa....

I have a difficult in trying to identify with those who can’t believe in the Mormon Church for one reason or another.

Interesting.... are you saying you do not understand why most people do not believe in your church?

Can you see any possible reasons why it doesn't sound right or seem true? Why it seems like every other religion out there, to many people?

Just curious.... :-)

~dancer~

I'm sorry, but NO I can't. If you only knew the complete plan of God from beginning to end there would be no need to ask such a question. I can't answer that question at this site fully because even the LDS would have a difficult time in believing it. They seem to be under the delusion that all truth has to come from the prophet, when actually it is the members that have that responsibility.

If you would like to discuss this further I have posted me e-mail address here.

grampa75

Interesting.

The God of the universe has told you specifically EVERYTHING from the beginning of time to the end? So, if you know EVERYTHING, does that make you a God?

I wonder, since you know EVERYTHING ....

How many earth-like planets are in our galaxy?

How big is the star that is in our exact spatial position on the other side of the galaxy?

Are there any species that have lived for over 2 million years?

How big is the core of the 3rd planet around the star Leo A? Is there a 3rd planet around that star?

Hmmm.

Since God gave you the "complete plan of God from beginning to end", surely you must know such simple things as this.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Grampa...

I'm sorry, but NO I can't. If you only knew the complete plan of God from beginning to end there would be no need to ask such a question.

I disagree. Even people who know the whole plan from the beginning to the end may still have need to ask the question of another. And even people who know the beginning from the end may be able to understand those who do not believe.

I can't answer that question at this site fully because even the LDS would have a difficult time in believing it. They seem to be under the delusion that all truth has to come from the prophet, when actually it is the members that have that responsibility.

I do not know any believer on this site who thinks all revelation must come from the prophet. On the contrary, it seems most believers hold to the idea that they can indeed receive personal revelation.

It seems like your "truth" works for you which is great! And, you seem to feel you have some special information from God... you are not alone. ;-) There are people all over this planet who believe they are the ones to whom God speaks. The world is certainly not in short supply of those who claim to know the real truth, or have the real secret, or have the inside information from God. Only problem is they are all stating something different! :-( Oh well....

Personally, I am more comfortable with the idea that we collectively learn and grow as we share our knowledge, insight, experience, wisdom, and creativity with each other.

But... glad your ideas bring you a feeling of peace. :-)

~dancer~