Did he do it for the sex?

[_Polygamy Porter]

He did it all for the nookie, the nookie, so he can take his cookie and stick it up his....

KA

OMFG!!!!

That was hil-friggin-larious!


Stick it up his whaaaa! Stick it up his whaaaa!

ROFLMFAO!!!

[_Mercury]

He did it all for the nookie, the nookie, so he can take his cookie and stick it up his....

KA

OMFG!!!!

That was hil-friggin-larious!


Stick it up his whaaaa! Stick it up his whaaaa!

ROFLMFAO!!!

snicker snicker

[_huckelberry]

CK -

Joseph Smith aside, my understanding of the early theology of the church is that by having many wives sealed to you, and in addition, sometimes, other people sealed to you as some sort of extended family, men were enhancing their status in the next life. In either Mormon Polygamy or Compton's book, the author mentioned that when a bunch of Joseph Smith' wives went to the Utah temple to be formally sealed to him, a temple worker made a comment something like "there goes Joseph Smith' train and glory".

I tend to believe Joseph Smith actually believed in his own explanations about his behavior. I think that the desire for sex with women other than Emma was the impetus for his searching and "discovering" this alternative lifestyle, but that it expanded into a larger theology that he also likely believed.

Beastie, I think your comments are pretty realistic. I have wondered if people tend to exaggurate the sexual reason because some of the alternatives sound a little nutty. I am not sure if I am the only one who finds the expanded status in eternity counted by wives more repulsive than sexual desire. Well either leaves out the feelings and commintments to others so are not very attractive.

I do not remember if I have said this before but a personal observation you might be able to relate to comes to my mind. Frankly dc132 is to my mind just disorderd enought that I sometimes wonder if the author is not a bit mentally ill. Getting a bit confused about distinguishing fantasy and reality seems a possible aspect of Joseph Smith. What was coming to my mind was a description by a friend whose mother in law suffered from occasional psychotic episodes. My friend described hunting her down in the middle of the night and finding her collecting pebbles. She commenced explaining how these pebbles contained great wonders and mysteries. The wonders were believed in with such intensity that my friend found himself being sucked into her descriptions. It took real effort to tear his own thoughts out of the web of belief being spun. There are times that the intensity of belief generated by mental illness can be genuinely infectious. I note I have experienced the same effect a few times with people mentally troubled but not clearly or identifiably psychotic.. Being associated with a person with mental illness creating confusions of fantasy and reality, can trouble ones own process of making those distinctions. Such people can believe with an intensity the rest of us lack. If we can identify their fantasy and reject it we can keep our feet on the ground with effort. What is it like for a person seduced by the fantasy?

[_KimberlyAnn]

He did it all for the nookie, the nookie, so he can take his cookie and stick it up his....

KA

OMFG!!!!

That was hil-friggin-larious!


Stick it up his whaaaa! Stick it up his whaaaa!

ROFLMFAO!!!

I was hoping someone would get it, lol!

Thanks, PP!

KA

[_The Nehor]

It was the trifecta:

MONEY, SEX and POWER, all shades of the same thing.

Projecting?

How am I projecting? Please explain that.

Why you would do it.

[_Mercury]

It was the trifecta:

MONEY, SEX and POWER, all shades of the same thing.

Projecting?

How am I projecting? Please explain that.

Why you would do it.

What makes you think that I am projecting? What past evidence leads you to believe I am drawn by money sex and power?

[_beastie]

Beastie, I think your comments are pretty realistic. I have wondered if people tend to exaggurate the sexual reason because some of the alternatives sound a little nutty. I am not sure if I am the only one who finds the expanded status in eternity counted by wives more repulsive than sexual desire. Well either leaves out the feelings and commintments to others so are not very attractive.

I do not remember if I have said this before but a personal observation you might be able to relate to comes to my mind. Frankly dc132 is to my mind just disorderd enought that I sometimes wonder if the author is not a bit mentally ill. Getting a bit confused about distinguishing fantasy and reality seems a possible aspect of Joseph Smith. What was coming to my mind was a description by a friend whose mother in law suffered from occasional psychotic episodes. My friend described hunting her down in the middle of the night and finding her collecting pebbles. She commenced explaining how these pebbles contained great wonders and mysteries. The wonders were believed in with such intensity that my friend found himself being sucked into her descriptions. It took real effort to tear his own thoughts out of the web of belief being spun. There are times that the intensity of belief generated by mental illness can be genuinely infectious. I note I have experienced the same effect a few times with people mentally troubled but not clearly or identifiably psychotic.. Being associated with a person with mental illness creating confusions of fantasy and reality, can trouble ones own process of making those distinctions. Such people can believe with an intensity the rest of us lack. If we can identify their fantasy and reject it we can keep our feet on the ground with effort. What is it like for a person seduced by the fantasy?

Huck, you're far from the only one who finds expanded status derived from number of spouses and children repulsive. That is why I believe TD refers to it as a form of "possession".

I have suspected for years that Joseph Smith had bipolar disorder. All we can do is speculate, but there are several reasons for my suspicion, including his son's David decades long institutionalization for bipolar disorder. So I very much agree that Joseph Smith had trouble differentiating between fantasy and reality. This is why I tend to agree with Dan that he was a 'pious' fraud, in that he - at least as time went on if not at the beginning - was a believer in his own claims and teachings. People with serious bipolar disorder often hallucinate, and the hallucinations are often religious in nature, and usually involve being "called" by God for some great mission. I believe that when Joseph Smith felt sexual attraction for a woman, in his mind, this became God telling him that woman had been "given" to him in the pre-existence, and he had every right to claim her again, even if she was already married. Joseph Smith and God become somewhat mixed up in his mind, in my opinion.

[_truth dancer]

I'm not sure if Joseph Smith had Bipolar, a delusion disorder (I'm thinking grandiosity type), or possibly a frontal lobe issue of some sort but I would bet anything there was some sort of neurological disorder going on.

I have known three individuals with delusion disorder and they remind me so much of Joseph Smith... One woman in particular. She truly believes God is talking to her. She believes she has a connection to God unlike anyone else, she receives messages from God constantly, has revelations and messages for the world to hear. When her revelations don't pan out, there is always a great reason, like the world was not quite ready, or God is waiting because of some reason or another. The only difference between Joseph Smith and this woman (in terms of the way they seem to experience life), is that the woman does not have the charisma. Still, the more I read about Joseph Smith the more I am convinced there was some serious disorder there.

If Joseph Smith were alive today, I feel quite certain he would be locked away or seriously medicated.

~dancer~

[_Dr. Shades]

It has oft been pointed out that Joseph Smith did not have sex with all the women he married, so how can that have been his motivation?

Whenever I hear that assertion, I always think, "How do we know that he didn't have sex with all the women he married?"

People point out that he married some women in late middle-age. Well, just because most men Joseph's age wouldn't normally find themselves sexually attracted to women with such an age disparity, doesn't mean Joseph didn't.

We all know Joseph was hypersexual. So, again I ask:

Where is the evidence that Joseph didn't have sex with all the women he married?

[_Polygamy Porter]

It has oft been pointed out that Joseph Smith did not have sex with all the women he married, so how can that have been his motivation?

Whenever I hear that assertion, I always think, "How do we know that he didn't have sex with all the women he married?"

People point out that he married some women in late middle-age. Well, just because most men Joseph's age wouldn't normally find themselves sexually attracted to women with such an age disparity, doesn't mean Joseph didn't.

We all know Joseph was hypersexual. So, again I ask:

Where is the evidence that Joseph didn't have sex with all the women he married?

That is the missing semen theory.