grand key-word

[_DonBradley]

Mod Note:I'll leave this one for Shades....any precedent setting should be done by him.-Bond

According to Keene:

I and only I decide when to close threads. My guidelines are mine. It's not important that you know. Suffice it to say: Don't be stupid.

My emphasis.

Huh, okay. An arbitrary, top-down model is about the opposite of what I'd expect for MDB.

[_Sethbag]

I'd be curious what you guys think are the supposed "grand key words". Feel free to PM me if you are willing to lead me to what it is you're thinking it is. Having been endowed prior to the 1990 changes, I know of one thing that used to be represented as being in the Adamic language, which could be called a phrase of supplication, but that changed to English (from gibberish, apparently) in 1990, not in the 70s, so I'm unsure if that's what you're talking about. Also, I'm not sure the individual's "new name" is what is meant by the grand key word as Joseph Smith mentioned it.

[_Blixa]

I know what most everyone is alluding to, as well, but was that phrase really considered the grand key word(s)? It sort of fits with the quotation CK gives in the OP, but my understanding of its usage in the endowment ceremony makes it seem not as "grand."

Asbestosman, I think you are thinking of something different, but I have a question as well about your comment:

I won't answer the question directly, but you may find D&C 130 to be of interest:

Quote:
10 Then the white stone mentioned in Revelation 2:17, will become a Urim and Thummim to each individual who receives one, whereby things pertaining to a higher order of kingdoms will be made known;
11 And a white stone is given to each of those who come into the celestial kingdom, whereon is a new name written, which no man knoweth save he that receiveth it. The new name is the key word.

Is the 'new name' alluded to here, the same as the new name one recieves in the temple? It doesn't seem so from this description, so are there two "new names" one should recieve, the second being given on actual admittance to the CK (along with a side of peepstone)? If so, then why does one need one for the reasons given in verse 10 "whereby things pertaining to a higher order of kingdoms will be made known," since presumably in the CK one will have this knowledge already. Verse 10 makes the "white stone with new name" sound like something needed in earth more than in heaven...

[_Dr. Shades]

Shades, it might be best if this thread is closed to further comment.

Why?

[_truth dancer]

OK... just when I think there are no new surprises... :-)

What are ya'll talking about?

I know the three word phrase that was eliminated. Are some suggesting this was the Grand Key Word?

Is there anyone who can point me to the changes that were made in the late 1970's?

Is there something else?

I'm confused! (Not for the first time regarding doctrine in the LDS church)! ;-)

~dancer~

[_Blixa]

OK... just when I think there are no new surprises... :-)

What are ya'll talking about?

I know the three word phrase that was eliminated. Are some suggesting this was the Grand Key Word?

Is there anyone who can point me to the changes that were made in the late 1970's?

Is there something else?

I'm confused! (Not for the first time regarding doctrine in the LDS church)! ;-)

~dancer~

That is what I'm assuming everyone is talking about. Although I could be making an ass out of Uma Thurman ; )

[_truth dancer]

11 And a white stone is given to each of those who come into the celestial kingdom, whereon is a new name written, which no man knoweth save he that receiveth it. The new name is the key word.

Also...

Of course our individual new names are known by all sorts of folks. Anyone who goes through the temple for the first time on the same day knows each others names, and they are recorded, written down in the temple for anyone to see who has access to the record.

So, this new name doesn't seem to be the new name we are given in the temple.

Sounds like everyone has two new names?

The one given in the temple and another one when they enter the CK, and get the white stone upon which is written the new name/key word.

~dancer~

[_DonBradley]

Seth,

My mistake--it would have been changed in 1990.

Don

[_Who Knows]

As far as I understand it - for every 'covenant', there is a sign, token, and key word. For example, for each covenant, you make a sign with your arms/hand, then you utter the key word, then a temple worker gives you the token - some sort of handshake.

If you read through the temple ceremony script, you'll see what i mean.

[_KimberlyAnn]

Well, I have no problem at all disabusing myself of the meaningless oaths I took in the temple, which are of no importance to me now, and which were made under false pretenses.

Everyone gets a new name in the temple when they go there for the first time, though that new name isn't the grand key word of which you're thinking.

In the temple, we learned a prayer in Adamic language, *snort* which is supposedly a sacred and true order of prayer, which would be a form of supplication. It had to be repeated three times, as if God couldn't hear us correctly the first time, lol!

I'm not sure how much I can say here without this getting moved to the telestial, but really, it's no big deal to spill the beans. The temple endowment can be found on the internet.

I can PM anyone with further information.

Pe Le El,

KA