John Voight, September Dawn, on the View

[_Jason Bourne]

Yes, but to Mormons, they already have all the truth they could ever want. :)


Do I "want truth"? Of course. But I already have a portion of it, I believe.



I know. No doubts will put off the unmistakable witness that is the Holy Ghost. ;)

Again, your advice is appreciated, Seth.

What about the witness of the Holy Ghost that tells the Baptist that they have the truth and that the LDS Church does not. I have evangelical friends who are actively critical towards the LDS Church and have a ministry to the Mormons. They believe the spirit is testifying that they have the truth and they need to take it to the Mormons. Why does the LDS witness Trump theirs?

[_evolving]

Yes, but to Mormons, they already have all the truth they could ever want. :)

I think you hit the nail right on the head right there bud..most LDS members have all the truth they want..they want the church to be true- therefore the church is true - it is all quite circular and funny to observe once you rip the brain clamps off. as I'm sure you will find out while posting here, you cannot use faith as proof of truth, you cannot prove somthing did or did not happen based the absence of evidence.

Do I "want truth"? Of course. But I already have a portion of it, I believe.

I am not surprised you "believe" you have the truth, and you want more. let me share one with you now --

-- there is no physical evidence that the Book of Mormon is a record of an ancient people living anywhere in the world.--

I know. No doubts will put off the unmistakable witness that is the Holy Ghost. ;)

once you realize the the Holy Ghost has given you an unmistakable witness of somthing that is not based in history or reality, you may find another way to justify the keystone of your faith if you like(the circular reality). then one day, possibly soon you will actually accept the painful truth the HG is not a very good way to judge absolute eternal truth. the next step to apostacy is an attempt to redfine what truth is(as many apologists do) or attempt to redifine what reality is, either way being on internet message boards defending the LDS church is an excellent way to loose ones faith, and an even better way to gain a very unexpected view of your reality..

[_Yoda]

So, is he saying they deserved what they got? and their children deserved to be beheaded after watching their parents being slaughtered?

Mormons like that anger me to no end.

PP, I agree with you. Mormons like this anger me, too. I have to wonder WTF they're thinking when they come up with this type of logic.

Personally, I don't believe that Brigham Young ordered the murders. I think that they took it upon themselves to do this. However, I still think that the Church owes the families of the MMM victims an apology. The frantic and fanatical frenzy that existed during that time contributed to them doing what they did.

You know, I should say, "God have mercy upon their souls", but, to be honest, I have a hard time hoping that God has mercy on the soul of someone who kills children in cold blood.

[_Boyd_K_Packer]

What shocked me was the reply by "freakin a man"

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Even if Brigham Young did order the killing, it would be no worse than the killing that is ordered in the Old Testament by Moses.

Goddammit, god damn it, GOD DAMN IT!!!

Please watch your language, young man. Using my Father in Heaven's name in vain in such a vile and dispicable way is unacceptable and one of the unpardonable sins for which there is no forgiveness. I would like to send you a talk on profanity that I gave a number of years ago. This talk will touch your heart. As for the opinion of freakin a man, why do you have a problem with it? Prophets are allowed to kill. They hold those keys. Read the Old Testament. It has been that way from the beginning. One day I will be prophet.

I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

Sincerely,

Boyd K Packer

[_Yoda]

No, he isn't saying "they deserved what they got".

He IS saying, however, that you can't paint one group as all good, and one group as all bad, in ANY situation, because there are "bad apples", so to speak, everywhere.

Unless you can cite some group that doesn't have bad apples, and can thus be exempt from my previous statement?


I know Mormons most certainly are not exempt from my statement. Is anyone? I don't think so, but then again, people do think some odd things - I do not presume you disagree with my statement, I'm just stating that someone, somewhere, will. ;)



Oh, and hey Nehor. I'm here. :P

Let's fight the good fight, as it were, bro. :D

Frankly, what angered me was the first quote that PP made from "freakin a man":

Even if Brigham Young did order the killing, it would be no worse than the killing that is ordered in the Old Testament by Moses.

This, to me, is an attempt to justify what happened. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION. NONE.

Oh...and...Welcome to the board! ;)

[_ozemc]

What shocked me was the reply by "freakin a man"

link

Even if Brigham Young did order the killing, it would be no worse than the killing that is ordered in the Old Testament by Moses.

Goddammit, god damn it, GOD DAMN IT!!!

Please watch your language, young man. Using my Father in Heaven's name in vain in such a vile and dispicable way is unacceptable and one of the unpardonable sins for which there is no forgiveness. I would like to send you a talk on profanity that I gave a number of years ago. This talk will touch your heart. As for the opinion of freakin a man, why do you have a problem with it? Prophets are allowed to kill. They hold those keys. Read the Old Testament. It has been that way from the beginning. One day I will be prophet.

I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

Sincerely,

Boyd K Packer

Sure, and I can fly.

Nice to know that you'll be a prophet someday. Have you already run that by God to see what He thinks about it?

I guess that means you'll be able to kill with impunity too. Cute.

[_ktallamigo]

I saw this thread on MAAD about John Voight and his movie on the View:

http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.a ... eoid=72570


While I loathe the spew, errr I mean the View, I am glad to see it get this kind of publicity.

What shocked me was the reply by "freakin a man"

Link to "the board that must not be named"

Even if Brigham Young did order the killing, it would be no worse than the killing that is ordered in the Old Testament by Moses.

Goddammit, god damn it, GOD DAMN IT!!!

The story of Moses has never been verified!!!

The event that occurred on 9/11/1857 ACTUALLY HAPPENED YOU F'ing FOOL!!!

I just cannot believe that a Mormon would post that... un-friggin-believable....

If this mindless member would half engage his brain he would realize what grotesque dishonor he brings to the REAL victims of MMM.

He is basically justifying what happened to the people, IN THE NAME OF GOD.

After showing his religious terrorist self, he not only further mars the victims, he also insults the intelligence of many familiar with the story:

Just from things I have read about this movie, pretty much all the Mormons are portrayed as evil and while those in the Francer party are pretty much painted as angels. One will find bad apples in every bunch and just because a few LDS where bad does not mean the bulk where.

So, is he saying they deserved what they got? and their children deserved to be beheaded after watching their parents being slaughtered?

Mormons like that anger me to no end.

Not much difference between Mormon religious fanatics and modern-day muslim religious fanatics.

I just finished Will Bagley's "Blood of the Prophets" about the MMM, and according to the latest evidence he presents, Brigham Young DID encourage the Paiutes to steal from and terrorize the immigrants, and was generally in favor of what occurred. After the expected confrontation with Johnson's army petered out, Brigham sent word down to Southern Utah not to attack the immigrants - but because there were no telegraphs yet, the word arrived too late.

Bagley's evidence of Brigham Young's approval and/or tacit complicity was convincing to me.

Ktall