LSD Heightened Spiritual Experiences/Truth?

[_barrelomonkeys]

Nephi, I just read again completely what you wrote. I have one question. You mention you never had any side effects. Was there no stricknien (I know that's not how it is spelled, but it's the way it sounds) in your hits? You know where your jaws would be tight, sort of a grinding tightness of the body? Ever have that? You always had good LSD?


Thanks for sharing your story. I'm sure others will have questions. I'm glad you found some spirtual enlightenment from the experience.

[_barrelomonkeys]

You all take jokes over here much better than people do on MAD. I called a lady "sug" in a thread one day and got red msg'd by an admin for it, sheez...

Yah! LOL you called me sug in your pm to me and I thought it was cute. We're a bit less uptight here. :) Atleast I am. :)

[_Nephi]

Nephi, I just read again completely what you wrote. I have one question. You mention you never had any side effects. Was there no stricknien (I know that's not how it is spelled, but it's the way it sounds) in your hits? You know where your jaws would be tight, sort of a grinding tightness of the body? Ever have that? You always had good LSD?

The side effects of LSD are grinding of teeth, but these were very minor. Mushrooms would cause me to feel icky bad. As for your question about strychnine, this is an urban legend, as no LSD is cut with it. Even if the whole bottle of liquid was strychnine, it would not be toxic to humans (see here).

[_barrelomonkeys]

Nephi, I just read again completely what you wrote. I have one question. You mention you never had any side effects. Was there no stricknien (I know that's not how it is spelled, but it's the way it sounds) in your hits? You know where your jaws would be tight, sort of a grinding tightness of the body? Ever have that? You always had good LSD?

The side effects of LSD are grinding of teeth, but these were very minor. Mushrooms would cause me to feel icky bad. As for your question about strychnine, this is an urban legend, as no LSD is cut with it. Even if the whole bottle of liquid was strychnine, it would not be toxic to humans (see here).

Ahh! Thank you! I had no idea how it was spelled!


So why is that an urban legend? I mean, it's not the strychnine that does that? LSD naturally makes you tense in the jaw?

So it's natural to feel like Beavis when you are tripping? How come these old hippies say they never felt that way?

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

I'm no expert, never taken drugs myself, but I don't believe you can see God with LSD. What you see when you take hallucigenic drugs are hallucinations. Taking drugs to find God makes no sense to me. What would that say about the nature of God?

You made up your mind already? Simply because you don't like what it "would say about the nature of God?" That seems a tad closed minded, in my opinion. Maybe you would be enlightened simply by answering your rhetorical question, as best you can. What would it say about the nature of God if you could contact the divine in mind-altered states, with drugs, meditation, fasting, ritual, etc? I don't see a problem here, actually.

Maybe I'm closed minded, or maybe I just have very firm ideas about God. I don't believe he created this world and what seems real to us, I don't believe he created chemicals for us to use in finding him. If there were any real validity to LSD experience, I think we would know more about it by now than just, "wow, that was groovy." Aspirin is a magic pill to make headaches go away, LSD is a magic pill to find God. Whatever, if it works for you go for it, but it's not real.

[_Nephi]

Nephi, I just read again completely what you wrote. I have one question. You mention you never had any side effects. Was there no stricknien (I know that's not how it is spelled, but it's the way it sounds) in your hits? You know where your jaws would be tight, sort of a grinding tightness of the body? Ever have that? You always had good LSD?

The side effects of LSD are grinding of teeth, but these were very minor. Mushrooms would cause me to feel icky bad. As for your question about strychnine, this is an urban legend, as no LSD is cut with it. Even if the whole bottle of liquid was strychnine, it would not be toxic to humans (see here).

Ahh! Thank you! I had no idea how it was spelled!


So why is that an urban legend? I mean, it's not the strychnine that does that? LSD naturally makes you tense in the jaw?

So it's natural to feel like Beavis when you are tripping? How come these old hippies say they never felt that way?

hardly any drugs fall into one category of drugs. LSD is both an hallucinogen and an upper (or speedy in a way), hence why you will stay up for 8-12 hours after dosing. The speediness of the drug causes the user to tense their muscles. As to why previous hippies say it wasn't' like that is not well explained, but some say that LSD has gotten more pure and stronger, so that effect is multiplied. I am not sure though of where "older hippies" would say that about it.

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

I'm no expert, never taken drugs myself, but I don't believe you can see God with LSD. What you see when you take hallucigenic drugs are hallucinations. Taking drugs to find God makes no sense to me. What would that say about the nature of God?

Dreams are basically hallucinations, but even the Bible tells us that our dreams can tell us things. Can you see God? Depends on your concept of God. Does this mean that it is not God? No, it is whatever you make of it. If you use the tool correctly, it will achieve its purpose for you. Your question about what does (taking drugs to find God) say about the nature of God? What does taking drugs to promote health say about God?

A drug is but a tool, and nothing more. Drugs are used for health, for social things (alcohol and tobacco), for spiritual reasons, and a whole slew of other reasons. Praying is a tool, as well, as is going to a temple, fasting, reading scripture, and any other ways people do to understand God better. What does this imply about God? God left tools for us all to use, and some people cannot use certain tools, so God put a multitude of tools out here to help us.

The "even the Bible ..." thing doesn't carry too much weight with me, but yes, dreams can tell us things, about ourselves, that we already know. Dreams are recycling of our experiences. I don't see God. I don't believe there is a God to see. Taking drugs to promote health says nothing about God to me. What does it say about God to you? What you are calling "tools" I would call distractions. Distractions from God. He didn't put those things here to help us, he didn't put them here at all. We created them for our own purposes and we are wasting time with them, and that's okay, but it doesn't hurt to notice it once in a while.

[_barrelomonkeys]

hardly any drugs fall into one category of drugs. LSD is both an hallucinogen and an upper (or speedy in a way), hence why you will stay up for 8-12 hours after dosing. The speediness of the drug causes the user to tense their muscles.

Ah. Okay. Wondered about that. I talked to someone the other day about that and they didn't know what I was talking about. :)

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

I'm no expert, never taken drugs myself, but I don't believe you can see God with LSD. What you see when you take hallucigenic drugs are hallucinations. Taking drugs to find God makes no sense to me. What would that say about the nature of God?

I don't really believe many people actually see hallucinations on LSD. I am rather skeptical of most people's "stories" from tripping. Granted maybe that's just my skepticism and my own "reality" of experiences getting in the way.

I think what you were looking for when you went in may often be what you got out of it?

Yes, I think we see what we want to see.

I like your avatars but get dizzy from the speed at which they change. I'm seeing multiple personalities in you :)

[_barrelomonkeys]

I'm seeing multiple personalities in you :)

That's the point. ;)


*edited to add* I'll probably hang on to this one for a few days. I'm feeling very bride of Frankensteinish